Ep 27: F**k Passion of Anna!

Hello this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast before we get started please make sure to like follow subscribe, write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram all those are linked in the description. Enjoy the episode. Hello and welcome to fuck your opinion. Oh, you only view podcast with yours truly moosejaw view podcast Yeah, my co host Johnny. For me right now but here's the thing I've learned. I'm doing what's called the Jani method and which steamrolling I just learned right dominant that someone else is talking and trying to say something right now role so I just say overcome words over it and pretend the other person's not talking and in order to make my point, because I don't respect what they have to say, you know, that's the thing like it's not about leaseback I'll usually stop what I'm saying because I can respect jack but not County's opinion or whatever he wants to say respect where he does not feel the same way that I assert his opinion. Whether we want it or not. Most likely not. So anyways, I'm we watch movies on this podcast. We watch movies. And every week, we trade off paying in the movie. One week, Jani will pick next week, I will pick. It picks up for that trade off, there's no third person. There's no third person Yachty anyways, we trade off. But the catch is that we pick movies that we love that we know the other one's going to absolutely hate. And vice versa. Hey, I just hate so much. Sean really liked my choice this week. Truly roto. So last week. Yeah, we watched Notting Hill and classing. It was pretty it wasn't good. wasn't great. It was not great for it. I actually don't say it was the worst thing I watch. Okay, it wasn't. I went online. And during during my work zoom call this week. You know, sometimes they'll ask me, Shawn, what did you guys watch on the podcast this week? And I said Notting Hill. And my boss said, How can he not like Notting Hill? Is he insane? Because it's a great movie and other co workers chimed in with the same sentiment. So I just want to say like, you're a moron. And you have a very unpopular opinion consistently. Whatever. It's okay. You also have a consistently very unpopular opinion within the crowds that I run with. So I don't care about some getting some Yang. I don't care about Oh, I'm sorry. Where do you work? Sean? Do you do you work in a in a in a film in a film at a film company? Where do you work again? Oh, no, sir. What do you do work in a music licensing licensing company? Well, I know you're touting Oh, man, I am films Savior. I just got a text. Hey, Sean, you want to be a PA, I'm working in the biz. I'm in the biz. I'm in the sphere. I mean, I mean, it is, you know, it's funny, though, because I did a PA gig about a year ago. And I was without getting all the details. I was like a writers pa for a day, you know, just type now the notes on Final Draft, you know, all these writers, certain different big shows, pitching in for this commercial? Because I have a background in commercials. And it had two big name actors that were going to be part of these two commercials for Apple, you know, it was like this big apple tv thing, right. And for the past year, I've wondered what happened to it because I've never seen these ads. And again, they're with high profile individuals. I finally ran into it on Apple TV, and they're like, really fucking bad. I can't believe they they they got good, funny comedy writers from really good hit shows. And had they had a litany of good jokes that they could have pulled from and they said, you know, but like, we're just gonna make the shittiest thing we could and Bob Evans mashed potatoes and macaroni commercial with Alfonso Ribeiro and that guy who married Rebecca romaine, now it's something else. No, I won't give away what I exactly it is but it's Yeah, I mean honestly it just comes down to poor directing. You know comedy is a fickle mistress you know you got to be really? It seems so easy so like with Notting Hill, even though last night really hard though Don't worry, let me finish even though last week we're like the cinematography is, you know, fine it's not special at the same time it's really easy it's so incredibly easy to fuck it up and those commercials did it I know it's it's not wrong but they are calm and they fucked it up. point is this week we watched one of Johnny's pics Jani. What? What? And I mourn is a nice dress. I'm closer to the industry than Jani. I work in music licensing. Sure by so in Los Angeles. I literally like I live right next to the MGM lot. You know, the Sony will never work there. He seen if he could extrapolate some sort of experience out of there to say that he did, but he probably did. He lives right across but he's never done it. I was at a test grading once on the law that doesn't count. Who else goes to test screenings one other morons? Have you met a test screening, if that test screenings in New Jersey, but you know, you're no, it doesn't know. Anyway, this week, there's a lot of morons, you get a test greetings by the way. This week, we watched Ingmar Bergman's 1969 film The Passion of Ana, starring live Omen Max von Sydow, or Elon josefson and BB Anderson. I'll just go ahead steamroll right into my explanation. Coming out of Notting Hill. Coming out of Notting Hill last week, I had this really kind of bitter response to how easily dewy eyed adorable stammering huge grant got over his divorce. And I thought, Well, you know what, let's look at a kind of a not necessarily a more realistic representation of that experience. But let's look at a more psychological emotional representation of that sort of loss of that insecurity, that humiliation. And so I thought, Okay, well, who has in his very long in his very shirts? Oh, that's sad. You just made me sad. Yeah, cuz, in fact, my parents are divorced. So, you know, went through that. And I just wanted to make feel Yani feel bad about doing that. So it's not like I don't know, it's just, yeah, well, okay. In any sense, anytime anyone is spurned by a lover or a wife, you know, girlfriend boyfriend. There's this inevitable feeling of humiliation that arises from it. And filmmaker Ingmar Bergman was no stranger to that. I feel like the more introverted more in intellectual kinds kind of tend to heighten their humiliation in a sense, maybe it's just out of the sense of hyper awareness. But whatever it was that spurred this film 1969 passion Ivana was made and it was something I watched rather recently. A lot of it's probably not one of the more well known Bergman films that's another reason why I wanted to pick it everybody's heard of scenes from a marriage everyone's heard of persona when I was 16, seven that are terrible with the SEO search engine. So no one is gonna search for these movies. So it's just like that's why you get like five listens on this and like people ad on bad boys because no one gives a fuck about at some point those trying to raise everything gets with this me like round I've resolved passion of ours because no one cares. Because no one would care about this movie is going to become a more popular film. And yeah, persona is a little more well. Well known. It's like eight years old. At what point is it gonna like go to a site Geist? I'm not saying it's gonna reach the Zeitgeist, but I want it to become a little more well known because before like last year, we're definitely gonna make that where we're gonna launch into into the stratosphere. Okay, like I know you It hasn't hit for 50 years, but like our little podcast let's start let's do it right I'm stretching this out. We'll just get into the audience okay imagination. Now why I love it. It's not a happy film. It's beautifully shot beautifully acted obviously not a happy film stunning bar he made like two comedies and in his in his entire career, three I guess if you count Magic Flute, but I don't really anyways. Not a happy film, but it's a beautiful film. magnificently shot by Sven niQ. This wonderfully acted by the entire cast, even though They're only like four or five people in it. So nuanced, so quiet so contemplative and the the theme of it this idea that the hell we create for ourselves and others comes from when we can find ourselves within these like personal prisons of humiliation and suspicion and self deception. It's the sort of stuff your your average filmmaker doesn't necessarily explore. And for that, I'm probably going to give this one and eight points. Well, actually, yeah, no eight point decibels. I don't think we've done we haven't done decimals before. Right? I'm going to take a fucking axe. I think this is the combat you this is its head. This is number 27. So I know listeners, that's a reference to the movie. This is number 27. Right? markets down. It's 27. Yes, it's number 20. So 27 was the first time we started doing decimal points that's going to be historic when this when this thing gets huge and made huge, bigger than it is right now. With this thing gets huge people are gonna go back to Episode 27. They're gonna be like, Oh, that was the point. That's when they started using decimal points. 8.2. Here's the thing. Let's, let's say in this hypothetical world, where our podcast launches into the stratosphere and become extremely successful, will be bigger than Marin. Or what's that guy? marone Mark Marin? What? Rock with Mark Marin? Let's say okay, let's say hypothetically, somehow, were bigger than one of the biggest podcasters, who started 10 years ago, and basically created the modern format of what podcasting is, let's hypothetically say that we outdo him even though our average listenership is below 100. Every episode, let's say in that imaginary row, we get there, this episode will still be the least listened to so I can say the most offensive thing on this episode and no one's gonna care. Now it's one word you can't say there's a one word you can't say everything else. But we all know there's like one word you can't say. There's the one word I absolutely can't say that. You love to say that. I'm not gonna say what we're and the other word is con, which I just said. And but yeah, whatever. censor it, right. I'm not censored your account. That's the word I'm saying. My gosh, yeah, that's such a it's such a sharp word with that C starts with a C with a T. It's a no, I'm not gonna use that word. So let's be straight. I'm not going to use that word on every episode. But I also know that if you're listening to this episode, you can take that hit, you can take whatever if you work for you. Yeah, I don't like I don't. I don't know why you're listening. But I also want to stress I also want to highlight I got Jani a gift recently for his birthday. Jani. Do you want to say what the gift was? No, I don't. I don't want to say what that gift was. It was a lot of reasons. We both know. I can't so why don't you explain as it was a mug and it spells out Kant on the side. And you know, it's it's letter so see, sorry? mahant you you're a container with the you are not the whole your sisters. Um, so far is our entire female list. What is our what was our? I don't know, I'm not gonna go get it was basically saying Don't you know your current? You know, that kind of stuff. You know? point is there an R? There's no r in that word. Now sorry, en and what the from Kurt? Oh, that's right. No, the mug said Kurt. It didn't say the other word it said Kurt. Kurt. Now I have no idea. I i flubbed guys. I made a mistake. Like this movie was a mistake. The whole thing was a mistake, I think angered Birdman. Sorry, guys, last day of shooting Sorry, guys. This was a mistake. I should just burn this and throw it into the fire of you know, one of the numerous of fire scenes and just say, okay, there's one more dire scene, right? I guess too. If you can't tell on fire. Yeah, there's the bonfire. And that's more than one. That's not numerous. Numerous is more than one. Okay, you do your opposing Plot summary, I'm going to look up the definition of numerous. Okay, so, normally in this part of the podcast, the opposing party, the person who did not pick the film and had a very uncertain time. Well give a plot summary of the movie in question. Usually a funny Plot summary. Something that's Woody and you know, if you've seen the movie, you might get a laugh or two out of it, but Sean's giving his so obviously, it Won't be either of those things. Here's the thing. There is no plot to this movie. So I can't really give a plot summary. But what I can do is a scene summary, which I think perfectly encompasses how I feel about this movie, which is there is one scene in which with a bird hits the window of their house. And Max and Anna are like, oh, what happened to the bird fly in our house? They they look around, Max finds the bird and it's like, really injured and close to death. And he decides to put it out of its misery. So he takes the rock smashes the skull in and they bury it. And I said to myself, I am that bird, right? No, you wish you were that bird? One Two. By the way, definite definition of numerous is great number many or consisting of many members. What is many, Shawn is many too. I didn't know that many is more than one. So there are many people on this podcast right now. There are many of us doing this. There are numerous people on this podcast right now. You're wrong. You're wrong and you know you're wrong. Okay. Plot summary. Are you not including all the animals we have in our rooms? Are you not including Bob, Bob, give a shout out right now does it? Bob's not technically in the room. Bob is in the he's Mona, she's kind of like in the rooms podcast. You know, she has a presence in Ohio. She's not here. Again. She is out of state. She's still taking care of the estate right now. Which by the way, in two weeks, we're not going to be able to because we have to like drive a bunch of stuff. That's that's not important. Anyways, Plot summary real quick. Andreas, played by Max von Sydow, recently divorced, completely humiliated and isolated, lives on the island of Fota in Sweden alone. One day he meets Eva verdurous woman played by BB Anderson, she invites him over to their house where he meets her they meet, they meet, she has a my that's not important. You're at it. I'm trying to expedite this. I'm trying to expedite this for the love of God. First time for everything folks. And he goes over to their house for dinner. Avon Ellis have a friend over on a on his plate by live olman the sparks start flying I guess they're everybody gets to know one another our honor is on is also recovering from recent loss of her husband and son died in a car accident. Andreas and Andreas and Ava have a quick affair. And then after that, at some point on an Andrea start dating they move in with one another and soon. All of their suspicions and the walls that they build up around one another begin to clash and everything kind of just descends in tumultuous sness as around the island, there's also a unknown figure going around killing farm animals. Because you know and and it has it No, there's a reason I'll explain why there why it's there. But no, Sean's not wrong. This is a highly illusory or not illusory. It's a highly metaphorical film. It doesn't really hinge that heavily on the plot. It hinges on interactions on characters on performances on visuals. And as Shawn has said in the past plots, not necessarily always everything if the film doesn't need it. If it's not necessarily the point of the film, we shouldn't harp on it too much. And I say that what episode I don't remember the specific episode, don't harp on this decimal points. Shit, what episode? When did I say that? Shawn, I can only remember that I'm only going to remember the decimal decimal point thing from now on, because I made such a big time that a movie doesn't need a plot. When did I say that? You didn't say that? It doesn't need a plot. But you said it's not you have admitted it's not the most important thing. I'm not going to go back and listen to all the other 26 episodes. That I said how do you not how can you now remember I'm paraphrasing we talked about you don't have to cite you don't have to cite sources, if you're paraphrasing in every instance. But you're committed and you're speaking for. Remember saying this, you're gonna have to prove that I said, Shawn, what's our Yogi green tea quote of the day steamrollered right over you? Okay, Yogi green tea quote, are they is this film sorry, this movie triggers terrible emotional agitation, physical and psychological violence. That's a quote. Yeah, that's like Yeah, he was like, drinking and he almost spit All right now, because a yogi green tea quote, what that is, is a quote from this movie that he used against the movie, you know? It's not again, you're not it's not as counteractive as you think it is. So, listeners next thing we do, we go into our three we choose either three favorites or three least favorite aspects. I like to start with my least favorite so I because it means I can end on a positive note. Why do we do know we always start with the favorites and you being a little bitch right now. Gods try start with the least favorites. You've done this before. I let you do it that one time. I'm not going to do that again. No, we're starting with the favorites because that's man, you're such a huge You're such a huge Kurt. You know that. You're just a big Kurt. Shawn. Like it says on that mug. You got me? You're just a big old Kurt. Yeah, yeah. All right. favorite aspect. Number one. I was just knowing that Sean's Bergman slash film illiteracy prevented him from understanding anything about this film, and that brought me a great sense of joy going into it. Yeah, I'm okay. That's a joke. But I really read Birdman man named Mr. Angry Men. Ingrid. Bird man. Movie. Before it's such a smart year. Oh. Oh, I get it. You're making fun of us. That's a really good joke. That's a really intelligent, okay, that's how I grow stuff. Okay. Okay. Huge grant. You literally with you grid. You literally just that's how you pronounce his name. Where Ingrid Birdman is a double joke, because you got Ingrid Bergman, who sounds similar but as a different person. Totally. And you're Birdman. Because there's a bird in this movie. So it's a double joke. It's really clever. Thank you. It's a far more clever to actually grant, which is a dumb joke. Or Frank touques. Which is just wrong. Freddie Mac's Freddie ducks was the many time Yeah. Which is not even a joke. You get your joke. Your name jokes are just getting the name wrong. There was intent behind my getting it wrong. You just get it wrong for the sake of getting a wrong. So the monologues in this film, but as they are in almost any Bergman film are fantastic. I think you have about three or four in this one that really knock it out of the park. There's a really great one with BB Anderson when she's admitting to this desperate need to feel needed to be wanted. And for that she goes out and she appeases everybody that she can in fact, it's like one of the reasons that she feels like she has to sleep with Max von sceetos character Andreas is that she's just she's been left by her husband for a few months. And she feels like she has no one that she can help no one should she can aid and thus, like quell this desire to feel wanted. So she seeks him out and they eventually sleep together then you have I like that really fit. I had to interrupt you. I like the end bit of that. Or I don't know if that's the end, but because that that scene is kind of long, but when they're by the window, oh, and the lighting Well, I like the lighting, but particularly I like what she was saying in that moment. Because she spoke about how I mean, this is just a small snippet of it. And I agree to your point of she's kind of I don't wanna say lashing out but she she's just looking for something to latch on to. And even if she sees something in him that's maybe not there. She's kind of imposing it herself. But she's as desperately is clinging on to something now. But anyways, there is a bit she says about like she wants to make plans. She has all these things she wants to do with her life. But a because she's in Sweden shouldn't say that. But you know, I just wanted to say it. But more more importantly Sweden. The entirety of Sweden is not like the island of photo. Anyways, she has plans she wants to make and her husband is constantly kind of dictating what she should and shouldn't do. And she feels very suffocated by it, you know, and she just sees all the time slipping away. I really like that moment. You know, okay, but then you have there like it's the monologues in Marburg men has this um, godly talent for writing monologues that really pierce through to a character's soul to the to the center of their internal struggle, and in almost every single one of his films. In almost every single one of these films, you get that in particularly with passion, vana. It's the one That Eva bear garris has that Shawn and I were talking about just then there's a really good one with Ana where she's talking about her marriage and the car accident that killed her son and her husband. All these, by the way occur in typically one shot. They're all one take monologues. And then a really another really great one with Max's character during this conversation towards the ends of the end of the film between him and Ana that mostly circles the idea of of humiliation and how paralyzing it can be on one's conscience. Well, I'll say because that is one of my likes. What I find interesting about that monologue in particular, as the other ones more or less take place within the space of the movie, where that one is kind of on this etheric plane, you know, it, it's separate, there's no setting. It's just on an blackness. Yeah, it's and he's speaking on it's almost like an inner monologue because he's speaking in a way that he's never spoken for the entirety of the movie. And, you know, he doesn't really have that inner him to bring it out. It's like his inner thoughts, you know, and that was interesting. I and Max His performance was solid in that scene. I mean, it's solid all the way throughout in that scene. But But yeah, monologues I guess the way it's, it's the conditions I suppose also that were in the the man monologues take place, because it's all in one take because they're so well acted because of the cinematography, the lighting. At this point, it was 1969 Bergman had been making films for 25 years. So I mean, he had been he'd been a master filmmaker for the better part of 10 years by now. It really just emblematic of the the filmmakers mastery. Sean, you already mentioned one of the things you liked you were talking about max fun, see dal, see dal, spelled s e hyphen d o w? Yeah. In the outline, Max. See that something else? You see it out? Like you see the Dow Jones dropping, and you say I need to invest in that stock right now. Because it's going to go up and up. Or I see the Dow Jones climbing and my stocks are doing well. So today is a good day. So what's another thing you like? Shawn? Allow we while we pretty much talked about everything I actually liked about this movie, which is the two Oh, it's I interjected about. I know, I have more on that line. But that's really all I actually liked. Okay, I need to stress like as in like, it's a very tepid, like, it's not, oh, man, I thought this was great. This was unlike unlike the number of fires, my likes, were not numerous. There weren't, there's no numerous this, there is no numerous this because two is not numerous. Alright, you know, I just gotta go. I'm just gonna talk about my thing. Oh, my God, the interviews, the interviews, and I'm gonna say exactly what I wrote on this outline. This is I liked the interviews, because then I didn't have to deal with whatever the fuck was going on in the story. It took me out in the best way possible. Now, I will say, on a serious note, I thought the interviews or of diminishing returns. The first two were interesting. And then the last two like, and I thought it was interesting that it's a different insight into the character is because basically, Birdman is interviewing the actors and have a feel about the characters they are playing. So it's this insight that's really different. And something you would never really see in a movie. This is all stuff that should be implied and yet, he's going Yo, guys spell it out for the people sometimes. So it's more than that. But I do think it's interesting. I like the technique. It's I imagine that a director I really love Steven Soderbergh was probably influenced by that to a degree because he'll sometimes like in high flying bird, for example, he'll cut he'll have the story go on and then cut to real life interviews about, you know, in that case, the NBA is interviewing as actual basketball players. So I think it's an interesting technique, and I thought it was for the most part well done. I wish there was more of it, because I really hate this movie overall. Now. Everything besides the interviews, but, you know, I'll go like, think about the interviews. The first time I watched this movie, I don't think I really understood what they were about. And then with my second viewing, I started paying attention to the characters. Yeah, to what the characters. I watched it the first time last year, and then I watched it again this year, I started paying attention to what the characters were saying more, and specifically the characters, and then comparing what the characters were saying with what the actors were saying. And what Andreas said about this idea of claustrophobia is something that I really stuck to. And as I paid more attention to the characters, mentalities and the physical settings, that they set themselves, and I came away with this idea that the film's main theme is probably this existence within a psychological claustrophobia. In a sense, it's just that that the people, they feel these intense anxieties within the mentalities that they inhabit, as if the the mentality you would have it is this like sort of wall that's tightly enclosing your existence. An example of that Andreas with his constant feeling of humiliation, after his wife has left him. And he responds to this in one fashion by sleeping with Ava, when he learns of her desperate need to please people and feel needed. And that's also like an example of that mentality that Ava inhabits to and then Ana, you have her feeling this acute awareness of the tumultuous pneus and the duplicity of their relationship and her relationship with her husband. And so what where I arrive knowing that at the actor interviews is that they spotlight the position of the actor as living within the limitations imposed by character and acting. So the extent to which they understand the part this part of themselves is in itself walled off, and in a sense during the process of constructing something simultaneously separate and a part of themselves. So it's very, it's very meta, in a sense, it's a very meta film. But the comparison the existence of the the actor interviews, and the trauma, the drama that the characters are living out, draws this. Sorry, one second, I lost my breath. Okay, here's the thing, like you were clearly reading off of something earlier. Yeah. And now that you go off, clearly, because I came together, like the actor interview, listen, you just need to read I was trying to, but you cut me off you. What I'm arriving at is that no matter if you're a character in a film, or your person living in the real world, you are living within this constructed idea of who you are. And you can't live within that you can't confine yourself within this wall, or else, every interaction you have every relationship you try to form with other people is going to fail, you're going to slip into distrust, you're going to slip into old habits, you're going to slip into all of these failing tendencies, and nothing constructive is going to come from it. That I think, ultimately is the takeaway from this film. See, I think my takeaway is that you claim I cut you off when you took a pause. And we're just like, I don't know what to say right now. We're when you legitimately cut me off with what I'm saying, You don't care. It's nothing to you. So I think we got a contradiction here. We got a hypocrite within our midst. No, you got you got somebody who ran out of breath that needed to get his breath. That's what you had. And I swooped in, because that's what you would do today. You can see we have a video feed, we can see one another. You knew what I was doing. You knew I was trying to get my breath back. Yeah, I know you were. But again, you weren't cutting me off when you weren't consciously doing it. You knew what you were doing. But that's not that's not as much as much of a cutting off as you're trying to make a hit and I'm in the middle of a husband and your suck. And I know right now that I can just delete all your dialogue that you're saying right now everything you're saying right now I can just delete it and have me talk I can walk right away on you anyways, yourself a new guest, you're the CO hosts, not the fucking guests. As we've established many times, you can't be a guest after you're the only other person who always shows up. It's like the anime rule. You can't You can't be a guest star and be nominated for a guest star. If you're in every fucking episode of this show. There's only a certain number of episodes you can be and still be considered a guest star. And then you become us as whether it was supporting his supporting actor. You're the supporting host. You're the CO Host I don't want to tell you and again, I didn't know this is this televise? Is this a televised event? Is this a program that people tune into to see regularly or do we know? People don't know this at all? So me rules. Five listens, I guarantee it. Second thing spend niQ this cinematography is nonpareil. I don't really think anyone can argue that the man was one of the greatest cinematographers in history. Sure, maybe this wasn't his most beautiful film. In fact, with Bergman It was his only only his second color film after all these women in 1964 but so beautiful. His use of natural lighting for most of the film is uncannily good. You know, I've seen natural lighting misused so poorly photographed in so many ways. Good example I think honestly hot take The Revenant does not have good natural lighting. I don't know how you can how do you think this looks better than a Revenant I'm not even a defender of The Revenant I think it's a film here I don't I don't understand how you are constantly every single fucking movie you pick be like this movie looks beautiful It's the most beautiful thing because it looks so fucking Joker film there are some good better that Windows really personas visually better is really better whatever visually dark day shot on this has my god no I'm going to use lighting doesn't mean you have great cinematography. I tried to say why I just angry that you say this every time movement every visual because I pick visually beautiful films. I don't know what to tell you. Like films that aren't visual. Indiana Jones the cinematography is just okay for the most part. I'm Connie Hill cinema. Notting Hill cinematography is not good. Right put nothing in montage. It's very much okay. I don't know how you could or why? Because it looks better and visual camera movement lighting blocking has something to do with it to know though this is plenty dynamic. You have you have images from all across the spectrum of the day from sunrise to sundown tonight. Oh, wow, I got a night shot. I got a morning shot. Beauty. I'm done. Great job guys. pat on the back. Yeah. And it's also that's the thing it's also supposed to be more naturalistic you know, it's not trying to frame itself as this cinematic otherworldly experience. It knows what it is. It fits the form fits the the story it fits the idea everything converges. Okay, I was watching my thigh hard to last night. Oh my god, you're gonna like this more? You know, I know what movie I watched right after this that I had to cleanse my palate. You'll know what I watched. What bow ship you're reading. Do you know that? You were a fucking drooling Mongoloid you say that knowing having beeped all that out? Yeah, you have to you have to get all of that for that cinematography as well. Just Oh, Mike there. Okay. For again, battleship battleship. You know, you know what, you know the people I tell you know what the people I tell like a 10% I talk about our podcast with you know what I talk about you what you know what they say about you? When I talk about our podcast when they listen to it. When I say about me? They say you know what? Well to each their own I suppose you're the To each their own sort of person, the academic way of saying yeah, this guy's a moron. That's what the people I talk with, say about you. You want you want other people that I talk with, you know, like actual people. They say no one you mean. Oh, co workers. How many of these are friends? Just everyone else that I talked to about you? Uh huh. They first go. How the hell could he not like whatever the movie is that I picked? It's a great movie. I love it. Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham? Is that it? Are we talking about ratty red whore? Or are we talking about Molly's game? Okay, I just want to say these other really super weapon films. I pick up people on Raiders The Lost Ark in Notting Hill. So don't even fucking come at me. Second of all, Oh, wow. Wow, you pick to whatever whatever. Whatever they ask me. Okay, well, what are you watching next week, and it's one of yours I have either forgotten the name or when I say what it is. Or when I say what it is. They have no idea what it is. I imagine no idea because they work in the music industry. You're assuming that's that That's the only people I talked to I talked to talk to you we're talking about co workers. None of your business I specifically referencing co workers in one instance. Okay. My fiance, my fiance, and she was just like, you're not gonna have a fiance don't even don't even Yeah, no, no, don't even go there. I just faked that I have a fake feel just defending yourself. You're just defending yourself whenever you make that claim. You're insulting people who actually get engaged worldwide when you make the claim that you have a fiance. Okay, jumping back in, we had a bit that we cut and I don't know where we're at anymore. My last thing john didn't have anything else he loved. He talked about this. He mentioned the puppy. Puppy that almost gets hanged in the beginning. It's very much I love that Andreas fine said I didn't love the puppy gang hung. That wasn't a good bet. Yep, that's right. Shawn likes watching animals being murdered. Oh, not hurt me. Let's stress that you're the one who picked this movie. And what's a puppy is hollow. Yeah, that's fortunately live, Sean, bunch of other animals are brutally slaughtered. And just left on like in blood. I'm gonna go into that you pick this. I didn't pick it. The last aspect that I really like, and I was talking about earlier on. That was it was a little doxon. Yeah, it was a puppy. And I'm not normally adopted. way through. Yeah. Looks like Andrea said she gets a puppy for it. So that's one thing you can do if you if you promise women a puppy, maybe they'll sleep with you, Sean. That's real skeevy of you. Why would I do that? Because that's what Andres did. And it worked. Is that what you did with Mona? No, with Mona? See, here's the thing I'm about No, I'm not talking about I'm about finding an actual connection with people not just tricking them into sleeping with you. Unlike some people, of the numerous people on this podcast, Sara Lee, does that or so. Greek Orthodox here, right. So anyways, I just want to get to this third thing. So we can wrap this up talking about your religion and one of my favorite my third one was how plot character setting and form all converge on the theme. And I talked about this, I said that the characters, they all live within these sort of personal prisons that they construct out of their own fears out of their own insecurities. The plot in itself, it's very restricted to that to what's restricted to the interactions that characters have with with each other and how these prisons collide and how they don't mix or how they can't mix how the possibility of stability is precluded by the walls they construct. And then all of this takes place on the island of Europe. In Sweden, I think I keep mispronouncing it. I always forget how to pronounce the name of this island. But it's it's an island, it's cold, there are jagged rocks everywhere, just a bunch of empty space. I think at the time this film was shot in 1969. There were maybe like 700 people living there. And it's a sizable Island. It's like, very isolated on Earth. I would want to live I hate the cold. I wanted isolation. I will i would i think if i and i don't want to say that. But I was loath to live there. I think I can be like to the central plot of those interactions. You have this narrative metaphor of the animal murders going on these you know the first time the puppy almost gets hanging the second time eight sheep get butchered for no reason. And then the very last one is I think 20 gallons of gasoline are emptied on a horse on horses in a barn and then the whole thing is set on fire and nobody ever finds out who it does. It's who does it it's just these random occurrences earlier it was Jani Well, the island the islanders blame this one sad loner Johan for it. And then they eventually like a mob forms. They go they beat him up, urinate on his face, break his glasses, and it hangs himself. It's an incredibly sad moment in the film. But all these random occurrences of violence highlight, I think the presence of something insidious and harmful that lurks beneath the beautiful and the idyllic exterior, like distrust in doubt might dwell beneath the daily interactions of a regular relationship IE like the relationship between Ava and Ellis like the relationship between Ana and Andreas. I and by the way, we haven't also mentioned that her former husband was also named Andreas both of the shit out me that's like, I'm one of the things I anyways, finish drove me insane. Let me finish. Oh my gosh, you never brought it up. So to get back to that Johan point, the fact that Johan killed himself in the end after a false accusation to me possibly symbolizes this sort of unconscious shifting of blame when the balance between these sort of two unstable forces these these two unstable people is disturbed, your consequences become unchecked your suspicion becomes wanton and your anger just becomes blind. And that's ultimately what happens. The relationship between on Andreas doesn't work out on the can't be truthful about what she did if she killed her husband and son intentionally. Or if it was an accident. Andreas can't be straightforward with her. He's suspicious of her the whole time. She's suspicious of him for good reason, too. She throughout the latter half of the film, questions whether he'd slept with Ava and he denies that every time he's dishonest. So yeah, everything kind of just fits together. There's this uniformity across all the dimensions of the film that really crystallizes the point for me. See, when Yani says this movie fits together. It reminds me of this sketch that Ryan George put out, yani and I both really love Ryan George, he does this show called pitch meetings for screen ramp, but he has his own channel. And he did this little sketch about a jigsaw puzzle. So this guy sells a jigsaw puzzle to a customer. And the guy's like, this was the 1000 pieces. There's like only 100 pieces in here. And not all these are completed pieces is an allegory for the gaming. Now this is a joke on cyberpunk 2077 and how it's incomplete 77 Yeah. And the point that I'm trying to make is this movie fits together like that aforementioned jigsaw puzzle in which doesn't, I don't really think it does. It does. It totally does. All the pieces are there, you just have to stand far back enough to see it. You know, if you look at a point, just the points. Yeah, the faces are going to look like a bunch of polka dots. But if you stand far back enough, and you take everything in, it becomes a full image, doesn't it? If you stand far, really far back and you have really poor vision, like you can't see things too far away. So the whole thing is blurry, and blurs. I look like I've had a great amount of precision in my description of this film. I feel like you've just been niggling so now speak about all about. Nick, let's get you I know listeners, you want to know why Jani has great quote unquote precision is because all he does is just read off a piece of paper. He wrote about all his comments. And you can argue Oh, yes, you have also done in the past. I don't think that's it's not like cheating or anything. These are thoughts. I had a conversation. This is a conversation I wanted. I'm just saying we're calling more cursing. Now you do that. The more you do that, the more like listeners when you want to fall asleep. And it's a yonny rant about not sorry, not Aransas ianis long winded I love this because blah blah blah blah blah. And you want to fall asleep. It's because he's just reading off of something. I just I honestly like when I watched this movie, I tuned out and just let him go. Because it's like a beige house get to the baby just get some times you gotta let up sometimes you gotta let the baby just cry. And this night with you after this. This is gonna be it. This is gonna be this is gonna be the cut off for you. You're just like passion of Anna no woman is ever gonna want to have a child with you. Not that you'd want to have one anyways, I know you don't i don't you don't care about passing on your genes. I want to pass on my genes. Yes, but if nobody's gonna want to wear them if if this was a sticking point for our woman that I don't like passion of Anna then I'd really have to question the person I'm with. I'd really got a meteoric episode just Just watch. This is going to be the one that takes us just into the stratosphere. We're going to rock and I'll take us in a stratosphere because this passion of this is our fuel this will be the only piece of content created with any kind of analysis for passion of Anna, so that's why I'll just be so popular people will be like, man, someone is actually talking about this movie. That according to Jani is the 18th best Birdman movie out of the 50 like I really shutter the where do you pull that number from? Because you've told me you told me that? I really shutter No, I didn't. Yeah, you did. And there aren't 50 there there are more than that. It's in my top 20 I don't know if I'd say it's 18 it's probably closer to like you said 1812 I should say I shudder to think what everything else that you consider worse than this is I I'm horrified at the thought of theatrical version of anyone Let's get to our dislikes. Before we do that, I'm going to I want to take a piss I would say before Should we get to Shawn's dislikes. Again, I don't have any dislikes. I'd say Bergman's worst film is still better than Raiders of the Lost Ark. his worst film that he made when he was like 28 in 1946, or 47 still better go take your goat go make sure you do your thing. Boy, I'll be right here. Wait, I think Marian and Raiders of the Lost Ark is a more interesting character than Ana live omens more attractive Don't you even say that get out of here go come back so I can finish this out to offend any of you out there suffering with cancer but I think I now know what it is. It's like to live with a with a tumor just this this this metastasizing, growing, bulging, swollen, painful, heavy thing that you can't escape, that even if it gets cut out surgically there's still a chance it could grow back and it may not kill you. But there's a good chance it might that Shawn, like that tumor from Total Recall. He's coming back. Feel a throbbing in my head. And yeah, listeners we were talking about how much we love Sean how much we love him as a part of this podcast. Sean, welcome back. Let's finish this bad boy listener. Yeah, bad boy. Bad Boy. What you're gonna do what you're gonna do when Will Smith comes for you? Anyways, sorry, Martin Lawrence, Martin Lawrence when he comes for you. Because next week we're watching. Is it black night? Is that the movie? The one where he time travels? Or spoiler alert. Spoiler alert seriously, like that? Haven't seen it? I need to know. Okay. But I was just thinking as I was using the restroom right now, the reason why I unlike Jani don't want to just read off cue cards is because I realized my limitations. I know that once I start reading off of things It sounds very rehearsed and it doesn't sound natural. And I don't want to give you guys that content. I think that's doll I think that just doesn't feel authentic. And you know, on even when you do any pocket also do do that. You don't even listen to podcasts, everything you don't even listen to podcast. I've heard five minutes about that one about the high school guy who definitely killed his girlfriend, but for some reason they think he didn't. There's it but and that was entirely scripted. But this is not an unscripted podcast. You can't just add scripts and listen to it. I can, you can do this doesn't sound good. We don't have to we can do anything we want in this podcast is conversational. conversational. You and me. conversing with you right now. We can have that when you do it. When I do it, let's get to the nose. When you do everything, I only suck sometimes. I don't have any dislikes. I wrote things down on here because I was really scraping the bottom of the barrel. But I'm not even going to mention them. You just say your three least favorite things so we can get this over with because I don't want to talk to you anymore today. Go Yeah, there's not much I want to talk about this movie. Like this movie is not even worth me getting into dislikes. I mean, like, I mean, yeah. So here's what I'll say what I wrote. My one of my points is I found this movie so dull, I had to drink coffee to try and keep myself awake while watching this movie. And even then, even while drinking coffee, I was still falling asleep and I I was constantly checking the time and I was checking the time every five minutes or so praying that this movie would be closer to its conclusion but it just went on and on and on. God snapper doesn't have a lot of music to manufacture any sort of tension It doesn't mean music I need and the sub the sub point to that point was there is no plot there is no real story. I said that before I don't know what else I can say I mean not heavy on plot is heavy on interaction. That's the whole point of the film is about it's about the theme is human interaction. So I don't know why they are married. You have to have some sort of primary plot you need to have a plot and this doesn't mean you can stretch it into something but it certainly doesn't feel like in the moment when you're watching this movie. Now it's natural it feels natural for everything else going on to me Bergman films they kind of transcend the need for plot can't transcend plot because why? because they're so they're so well written. Oh life has no plot. You know what does doesn't Don't act like life is talking about, you can make a plot at life. Life is totally random life is totally random. Just like just like somebody running around an island killing animals for no reason. That's life. Life isn't boy gets the girl they fall in love and then they have kids, they die 30 years later, life has plot then there is randomness to it. Sure. But life has struggle, life doesn't have plot, struggle and plot are two completely different things and not mutually exclusive is the thing you can you can make a plot out of any kind of aspect of your life. If you want to talk about your relationship with Moana, you can make a plot out of it. If you want to talk about your relationship with your parents, or your stupid fucking job and your relationship with your dumb film, bro students, you can make a plot out of that. But this movie says, You know, I just gonna take kind of random and why don't say random because that's not entirely true, but disconnected interactions between all the characters and just barely stitch them together. That's what this does. And you could pretty easily have more or less similar scenes, similar ideas, but just more of something going on. It wouldn't be much of a stretch and it wouldn't be hard. And yet the movie says I just don't care. I'm not interested in it. I've legitimately forgot who Anna was because she was just so she wasn't really in it in the first half. She was kind of and she falls off and I go wait is Anna in this I'm I'm forgetting I'm losing my mind. Also going on with another point that we talked about a little bit earlier. Andre is the fact that there are two Andrea's is I was just like, Oh, is this trying to reference what like I assume there's a thematic point to that and how like history or may not history repeats itself but her decisions are repeating themselves etc. But it was just infuriating. I'm like is this a kind of a momento shit or are we we're going back and forth in time. Even though we actually aren't it's just that fucking coincidence. It made me frustrated. I didn't know what I she feels a subconscious attraction to this man that otherwise she shouldn't be with and she knows she shouldn't and she knows she doesn't necessarily feel love towards him. Yeah, she sticks around with them because maybe she views it as a second chance at doing the right thing or trying to be a better partner. Why mon is with you? No mon is with me. There are a handful of reasons that Mona's with me either numerous reasons. Oh, well see as the two that you supply. There are numerous there are probably over I don't know 40 or 50 listeners little audio footnote for you right here. So Yani makes a joke that he demanded I cut now, originally I said to myself, there is no way in hell. I'm going to cut said joke, as you will hear in our debate following said joke, but I decided to be the better man. So I am cutting the joke, at least his audio of the joke the quote, and I am paraphrasing. This is not the exact quote and as a refresher since we're kind of off track right now, the setup is there are about 40 reasons why Moana for some reason loves Jani, or at least tolerate him. But the joke in question is and me speaking as Johnny right now. Let me look my lips. Now this is me as Jani about three of them are the length of my deck. Three Three, get it. three inches, three inches direct. And quote again not an exact quote not exactly what Yani said, but approximately long pause long enough to cut that you have to cut that grow cut that Shawn please I'm not cutting that you chose to cut it used you decide to say that shit. Oh, so tough shit. No, I'm not cutting any brought up. No, you bring up bone. No, you have to cut it. I say I say bring down the axe that absolutely has to get cut out because I made that joke a bit in a while. You know what I was going to do and I cut in it. No, you have to cut it. I'm not cutting half to cut it yourself. Putting it all out cut it if you let me cut any compliment you give them towards this movie. You can you can comp you can cut. No, actually no you don't get to do that if I if I want something that I don't want one there. It's the podcast now I'm the one who edits it. Why do you think you have a choice who agrees to take his time to do this with you? I don't have to do this. I do this be out of out of out of my, my, my friendship with you. I like doing it. But yeah, it complicates my life a little bit sometimes. Okay, so if I asked you to take out one thing that I don't want in there, which is me referencing referencing my erect penis, then I think you would be willing to do that. Because even though you do more for the podcast again, without me, you don't have one. I'm writing a joke right now. pieces. Okay, let's just take it out. Don't keep it in. Okay, moving on. Other dislikes. I don't really dislike anything else I got, oh, we didn't really get into this. But one of the things that annoys me about Yannis pics is how I don't use the word medic, because that's not necessarily correct. But how they work much better in the context of director's filmography. As opposed to stand alone. I forgot what other movie you were talking about. And you did that. And that just annoyed me because I didn't have any context for any of the other directors work. But my point is, I find that kind of annoying. I need a movie to work on its own. Whether it be like Avengers end game, which even though I built on everything, it still kind of works on its own. Or like another example. I was recently doing a Francis Ford Coppola binge. And the movie like I forgot the title. I forget the whole title, but it's Tucker. man in his dreams or something like that. Tucker and Dale vs. Evil. That's not what it is. It's very much about Francis Ford Coppola and his one from the heart. Yeah, his one from the heart and experience in the downfall of American zoetrope and just him venting all his issues with the studio system through that film. And I think that's interesting by itself. But does that make the movie great? No, it's okay movie as a movie is okay. I think that layer makes it a bit more interesting, but it's not going to like change my rating on it not going to change how you necessarily feel about it. So yeah, but I think I I don't think that's a thing. I don't think a movie only can be good within the context of a filmmakers filmography I think that that's just poppycock. I think no matter what you have to walk into a film, that's not what I said, it's no matter what you are forced to walk into a film without any sort of system of support, you can watch the trailer, but you can watch the trailer you can read up on it all you want. And you can make all these sort of discoveries that might inform your perception of the film, but either way, the first time you watch it, you are left at your own devices. And you can notice things that you like you can notice trait director trademarks, like for instance, character's last name for Gare bear garris shows up in like half a Bergman's film you can know Did you know that jack? Man always named himself Jackie and always movies? Did you notice that you can notice that shaggy? This is a fantastic cinematographer naming his character this character's crazy. Shawn, let me finish my point here. The point is that I don't agree. I don't think that you can view a film you can think of film only has quality within a filmmakers context. I think that that is just that's. But that's not. To me. I'm saying no, that's what you're saying. You're talking about what you're saying solely that context. I'm just saying, it's got to work out. It's operates on its own, it's got to work. What I'm saying is it does up it does operate on its own, you do have everything you need to get by with this film. It's just that it's a little more sparse. I don't know what to tell you. The point of the film is that it's sparse. The point is that the ending is ambiguous. The point is that you don't know what the characters have done in the past. You're told so little about them. You're told that Andreas was in prison because he punched a cop because he was speeding because he was drunk you hear that there's a possibility that on might have killed her husband and her son intentionally because she was emotionally compromised. These things are alluded to but the point of the film is that you have to make these decisions. on your own, that you're forced into drawing your own conclusions also like that you like that. But every other instance so one of the movies I pick, a constant nitpick of yours is I want more backstory. I wish there was more to it, where you don't always need more. You constantly are bitching and moaning about that all the time. What's one instance? Give me one instance Now, one of the Notting Hill, the married couple, the friend couple, you're complaining about that, like you wanted more? Where I thought there was totally enough. I wanted more. I didn't want more from the married couple. What I wanted was for them to, let's say, What did I say? I said that you wanted more back the it felt like they're the guy, the guy. Yeah, I did feel like that. But I said what the husband was like, huge grants best friend. And he married the woman that he had been that huge. Grant had been dating who was now in a wheelchair. Yeah. I don't remember saying I wanted more backstory. I didn't say I didn't even say that it needed more backstory. What I was saying was that there was a whole lot that they were alluding to that wasn't even central to the plot. It was like, why even bring it up? If it doesn't matter in the context of the story? what little we do get from this plot to the story. Why only do is no story, there's barely anything there. There's like four p i. The experience, the story is making the choice. I am so over this movie. Final thoughts. Well, guess what? There are going to be more Bergman's. So I'm going to keep torture you for as long as we're doing this. I'm going to torment you until you kill yourself until you do as full until you do a full Johann, and you go home with your glasses broke and piss on your face and you hang yourself because that's what I want. That's the ultimate end goal here. I want you dead. You asked me to cut out something else earlier. And this is a thing you're totally okay. Well, I want people to hear this. I want everyone to hear this. That's pretty offensive and mean spirited. And that's all I'll say. Listeners in case you thought you should side with Jani. At any point, just repeat that last 30 seconds again. And again. Remember, he wasn't joking. He meant it. That was totally from the heart. All right. My final thought from the heart. I hated this movie. It was really boring and dull. Like I said before, just constantly watching the clock cinematography is really good, though. six out of 10 this is one of the lowest ranking movies I would I have watched of ianis pics, like it's in that cold war Badlands group, or I just can't stand the thing. And the compliments I give are so sparse and miniscule and barely actually compliments. And everything I hate about it is so numerous that it's hard to encapsulate it into a single point as because it's, I just want to say everything. Everything is what I hate about this movie. So if I had to give a rating I'd get I'd give my rating is the same size Max, one seat I was high six for my rating is the same size as Yannis dick. a three point Wow, that's a lot 3.5 out of 10. No, Shawn, you uh, you had you said something else? So say it out of 10. That's pretty high. What did they give called war? You remember, you gave it higher than a 3.55? I feel like we have to record this. You gave it like a four point something you get. I think you actually gave it like a 4.5 or a four. Okay, whatever I gave called war. I'm gonna move that down to a three and I'll move this up to a four. No, no, you do not retro actively get to change scores. To do that Roger Ebert? Oh, do it. Do that? No. Well, you have to go back. And you have to justify that with a new argument. So we have to we have to do an update on it. We have to rewind. There is at least something I semi liked about this movie where there's absolutely nothing I like about Cold War. Absolutely. No, you don't. Under Cold War, there was one little joke that I liked. I don't even remember what the joke was. But it dealt with that commie bastard who was putting up a sign or something. I forgot exactly what the moment was. But I remember I highlighted that as the only thing I liked about that movie. Three out of 10, no decimals. No, this is a four out of a shot. You don't get to go. You don't get to go back and change scores retroactively. Especially more than half a year after the fact. I don't care when your idea when your recollection of a film is just made totally grotesque. I'm going back and I'm giving Indiana Jones a five out of 10 and I'm giving Kabhi Khushi Kabhi got a two Out of 10. And I'm going to go back and I'm going to give Notting Hill a three out of 10. How's about that? Every single one of Sean's films, movies, sorry, my bad movies. I want to go back and I want to take away five points from it and I want it to be a one out of 10 or lower. There you go. How's about that? How's about hazmat? We do that how about we just totally retcon all the scores for the last eight months of work we put into this you either die hero or you live long enough to be your the villain. You're not dying a hero villain. You gave Raiders The Lost Ark right now? a five out of 10 and what world do you find that acceptable? And what world would anyone find that accepted? What world does somebody who gives powerful public house get only world Ingmar Bergman only, you know, Terry Malik's rooms, ratings of a five out of 10 or lower house who does that I have never met a single human being in my life. As much as Nazis, Nazis give Raiders of Lost Ark five out of 10. So either you're a moron, how are you think Nazis would do that? I would actually get a higher rating because for the majority of that film, they're winning. The Nazis are winning the majority of that movie's runtime and they just call it Nazis actually like Raiders of the Lost Ark. They're totally pro Raiders. They're totally indeed pro Indiana Jones. Alright, what are we watching next week, let's just finish this. Well, yonni. For next week. My original mindset was to kind of like, throw myself on the grenade, and pick a movie that I think is atrocious, but had one or two things I liked. But if I think it's bad, you're going to want to claw your eyes out. And it was going to be rageous people throw themselves on a Bollywood movie. And I changed my mind. I said, I might save that for later on the battlefield, you stripped down out of your uniform, you dress in the in the opposition's uniform, and you run back over to their side, you're that kind of person, you are not a jump out of grenade kind of person. Don't you even dare. So what are we watching? So I changed my mind. And I said, you know, we're watching a criterion movie right now. So I'm going to pick a movie from another criterion director. This director has won Academy Awards, or at least the one that I know is one, I can't remember if he is one other ones. What do you think we're watching? Armageddon, it's Armageddon, isn't it? You only own one criterion. And that's it. Well, I only on the rock, not Armageddon. But and you know, I like the rock. So it can't be done. I would love to I would love to pick the rock. But here's the thing. I was going to pick Armageddon, but it's on Showtime and neither of us have showed time. And I just don't want to do that trial. I'm just sick of doing trials. So it's actually another criterion director Steven Soderbergh. Now, Steven Soderbergh, I had a couple options of what I might choose. At first, I was going to do Ocean's 12. But then I know Yani well enough to know, all he is going to do with his complaints is nitpick the hell out of whatever happens in that movie. Just this can't happen. No one would do this, why do you think of that? etc, etc, etc. And I'm so sick, so fucking sick of that criticism. Like, just I want to punch the screen when I edit that. So I said, What is another great Steven Soderbergh movie that should be on the Criterion Collection, that would also be a good end cap to these past 10 episodes. So if we started with what sports like from my perspective, Bloodsport and we also talked about something super homoerotic so it's going to be magic. Like are watching Magic Mike next week, folks. Alright, so we're finally going to get a confirmation about Shawn sexuality next week, folks? Yeah, soon in I'm straight. This has been long coming ladies probably not going to be we're probably not going to learn that I'm a bachelor ladies. I'm single. He's single. That's right. He's single and if you want somebody to go out and shop for clothes with it's going to be shut out. I don't want to shop not interested in you. I really don't want to shop for clothes please for the love of God. No, I have nightmares for mine. My mother would do that. She just bring me to whatever clothing shop and just shop for an hour two hours and I just had to hang around for retelling with my Spider Man. God that was abysmal. Don't make me shot for I don't failing all the muscles in your Spider Man action figure. Hide in the coat somewhere and just put upper body on your mouth. Oh nothing I've just I've just been talking about this boys like I was actually get down to what is wrong with oh yeah no no sure no no I'm sure what did you do nothing homoerotic about what did Rob Did you have any cash over muscle fingers at all? What do you I did not No. Are you kidding me What kind of way you get like my dad play with? No I looked at the back of my dad's men fitness magazines at the pictures of women is what I did. I didn't play with muscle bound action figures so like as a six year old kid that's what you did. My libido has been crazy for about the last 20 years yeah you're you're so fucked up. I don't want to shrug. I don't understand you. I give up. Go fuck yourself. Go fuck yours. I don't have to understand you to hate you. And that's why they call it yourself.