Ep 24: F**k Raiders of The Lost Ark!

Hello this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast. Before we get started, please make sure to like follow subscribe, write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. All those are linked in the description. Enjoy the episode. Hello and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review pa your podcast. Hi, I'm Sean I'm Pawnee. corca. What are you doing right now? I'm sorry, I wanted to do my interrupting thing. This is Jani Pontus Coto Hi everyone How you doing today? We got what's the temperature in LA Sean? The temperature is none of your goddamn business. You know what it was here? Like all temperature. What's fall temperature? Was that mean? For days? Oh my god kill me. No, thank you. I don't want that. I talked to a friend and Loma Linda and she said it was in the Upper 90s last week out about that where was in the Upper 90s Loma Linda just outside of LA. Anyways, we do a movie podcast Hi, this is a movie review podcast starring Sean Corbin and Jani Ponta Scotto as a guest Yeah, you're not a guest your co hosts Don't I have to do this every fucking time and Rni now you know don't unload that responsibility on me. I don't want it. I don't want you give it to you either. But you don't want to I do want to do is I want to rename the title of this podcast from fuck your opinion to why Jani is always wrong. Because listeners if you couldn't tell from the title, or from last week's episode, we watched Raiders of the Lost Ark this week. Why do we choose Raiders of Lost Ark? Well, I don't know why did why I chose it. Because for some reason, Jani was complaining about it at the end of our last episode. Listeners I I have to tell you, I've literally never thought we would do an episode on Raiders of the Lost Ark. yet here we are. It's such a beloved and important film that I never in my life thought Yani. Or really anybody would go you know, fuck that movie. I have a lot of problems with that movie. I mean, I listen. I don't know why we're doing this. I don't know. I don't I don't. I just I have nothing. Nothing to say. Can you you don't want to Care Bear is what I care. Bear. Do you know what a Care Bear is? I've heard of a cat toy. Yeah. So I'm going let's just pretend that this movie is a Care Bear. And I'm about to rip open the seams on its rear end. And yeah, you can do anything else besides wrapping the seams. I don't know feel like you're applying something is it everything occurs in the interim. You know, you can you can fill in the spaces. Here's the thing. It's like other things fill in other things. Jani is coming here here. All cocky. Like Belloc thinking he owns the place and you know what? You know whose face is gonna get melted off at the end of this podcast? Jani Jani is to be the same way he was just call we're calling and Pepe Pew every French person on this podcast is Pepe Le Pew whatever you have to say. I just need to tell you you're wrong listeners again. I don't you know, we'll do this. We'll do this episode. Hey, the name of the podcast isn't I validate your opinions and they're respected? Is it? Alright, it's your opinion. Your opinion? Are we gonna talk about real quick we gotta talk. What what's the yogi? usual as per the usual Yani decided to switch the days on me. And sweat and delay right before we are going to record. So Yani, what do you have to say to you for yourself? It's enjoying soup. Enjoying the soup? I was enjoying soup. Cold week. I was enjoying soup. Who made you soup moda. She made me some chicken noodle soup. That's really good. Okay, so Mona just couldn't be bothered. I have a question for you. When you watched Raiders of the Lost Ark this week, and obviously you must have talked to Mona your fiance. Again. Your fiance sometimes she walks she sometimes she'll watch it with me. Yeah, she did. She watched it with me this time. So did she not question why we were watching this movie for this podcast. Because it's so clearly a great movie. You know, here's a hot take. But Modi doesn't like it either. No fucking way. Actually. Ya know the only wire get her on. I want you to get her on right now. Get her on right now do you think I had ever say from her place? We're not we don't live together you know that I had to drive 10 minutes from her apartment. You're making this up? I don't believe you. I don't believe that's what she said. You fucking liar. I love clips buddy. You actually brought her up because because listeners Mona actually does look a little bit like Karen Allen if her hair weren't curly and if she had the st the curves of a string being Kara now and that's a shot at you. You don't have any hips moving on. Wow. I mean, like, wow, lady. You're not that pretty great. Great move right there. Jani really taken The High Road with this criticism. You're a beautiful woman. I don't know. Yeah, why? Eonni finds me a God above you. But you know, he has poor taste. I don't know what to say. I'm not saying she isn't. I'm just saying she she doesn't fill out a dress quite as well. She could let's just put it that way. Your fucking nutjob anyways. That's my lip. You laugh from the very beginning. Anyways, so why did I pay? Shut the fuck up? So why did I pick this movie? Well, like we said last week, we watched a world war two very dramatic and sad film. And by the way, have you put yourself back together yet? Yes, I have. And I'm like, I want to I want some fun not Nazi bashing. I won't say there is you know, so I offer this as a suggestion as a joke. And Yani semi took it seriously and I want Okay, fuck it. We're doing it. Also and this is this isn't making into the episode because we had this discussion before we started recording. But we were talking about American History X because it was the first time I was watching the movie, and Jani said it was an important part of his childhood when he was 14 years yeah, yeah. When he was first watching movies, and he asked me what that movie was for me. And I said point blank Indiana Jones So you said point blank comma Indiana Jones so point Blake and Indiana Jones were both very Are you wait no point and break this is this is the kind of criticism you're going to levy at any Jones whether it has a comma or not. I mean, no no, I thought you were listing the movies like you said point Blake comma Indiana Jones Raider those Raiders of the Lost Ark comma No, it's point blank describes how I addressed you. Also the movie you're thinking of as you realize his Point Break which will be another episode down the line because I love that movie, by the way either here nor there crazy about No, you dumb fuck. Anyways, Indiana Jones ism. I won't belabor the point because I could literally talk for half an hour about my love for any and Jones. But needless to say, it's probably the movie I've seen the most of my life. I mean, since I was a little kid to now, I've seen the movie dozens of times. I know the movie from heart. Even though I watched the movie twice for this podcast, I honestly did not need to I know the movie so well that every point I'm going to make is the same point I would have made. I was able to quote it constantly as I was watching it. And honestly, I'm terrible at quoting. So it's like only this and diehard are the two movies I love so much I can quote and it's also a movie that I even though I've seen it so many times. I've seen it in so many different ways that I can remember it. Like each experience very well. I mean, I've seen it on a quota THON theater. I've seen it on a jumbotron. I've seen it at the fog where the rose ball, they did a live concert like two years ago. So I seen it so many different ways in so many different versions. And I just absolutely adore this movie. And again, I don't understand. I mean, it's one of the most universally praised movies of all time. I don't understand why you're gonna do this. But you know, if you want to make an enemy out of every listener Be my guest also, or maybe I'll change you know, let me finish. You're not going to change anything heart You're heartless bastard. But speaking of being having more on my co worker fan of the podcast, listened to our bad boys episode and immediately said I love bad boys. How can he not like bad boys? And I said, I don't know what to tell you. Johnny's nuts. I mean, like we're doing Raiders this week. And he said how you doing Raiders? What's wrong with them? So I'm just relaying that. literally everyone thinks you're crazy for not liking right? I can understand why bad boys is fantastic. I can understand why you might not like it. But I mean, I just your opinion is fucking moronic. It's okay. All the people I know think the same thing about your opinion of cold war so fair is fair what all three people that have seen that entire movie? I mean, don't even flinch right and borrow it to five. Well, let me I'll tell you right Jones Raiders of Lost Ark is in the 100 is gonna be a lot lower than my cold war ratings. So why don't we get this started? Oh, let me get my rating 9.5 9.5 This is my top 10 list of all time right so equals my rating for Cold War. Cool. I'll fucking it. 9.6 sorry. 9.6 Okay, so you we know why you chose it. I think it's time for my plots. Yeah. So Yani, give us a plot summary of Raiders of the Lost Ark to the point I came up with it about two minutes ago. Are you ready? Yeah, seems about as much effort as you put in nothing but sure. Han Solo Ghibli and the girl from Animal House prove the existence of the Hebrew God. And that's basically it. First of all, that's a real lack of fucking effort and second totally leaves out the dots. Anyway, what are you joking? Are you gonna prove that the existence of the Hebrew God at the end of the movie, but we'll talk about it later, when you want to bring up that point. Anyways, traditionally, on this part of the episode I as the chooser well give a plot summary for this movie listeners. There's no chance in hell that you're listening to this podcast and have not watched Raiders of the Lost Ark. I'm not going to do that. That's a waste of both of our times. Moving on next section normally as we eat to explain our three likes, and then our three dislikes. Green tea quote of the day that's what we do and you're totally left me stranded here. How am I supposed to paddle back to my boat without my yoga green tea quoted the day you've left me? marooned? Okay, on your island. Sorry. Sorry, my bag of all Yogi green tea quotes of the day. I know I know that everyone loves and needs. It's Johnny's favorite part of the podcast. the dumbest thing we do. I don't know why we do it. Okay, Yogi green tea quote of the day we better start getting that Yogi green tea money. Yeah, your auntie sponsor us. We do your quotes. We love you. Anyways, yoga, green tea quota day, act, don't react. There you go. Indiana Jones, he acts. But then sometimes he just reacts. Well, mostly acts. Well, you know. And when he acts, it's, it's not the most convincing. Well, we'll get on to that. It's not the most. I'm talking about Harrison Ford. And are you kidding me? I know you're gonna get it to nitpicks your different words after when she ate it from Han Solo. That's what I'm telling you to do. I was literally just listening to a podcast where he intentionally there. It's subtle. I'll give you that it's they're similar characters, but they are different characters. He went out of his way to differentiate the two. I'm sorry, he can't help that he's the same guy in the week that he was brought on to production in the week between filming a Star Wars movie and then filming Raiders when he signed on to production last day saying he couldn't have done that. No, what I'm saying is he didn't i'm saying is you're saying nuance I'm saying non existent. Well, that's called being a fucking moron. Anyways, three likes three dislikes. Here's my three likes. Just kidding. I wrote in the notes everything. I liked everything. Because this movie is nearly perfect. I don't I there's too much to talk about. We'll just get into it later. My. And I'm just gonna skip over your likes because you're stupid matter. Oh, cuz my dislikes things I like. Yeah. And then my dislikes are nothing because there's nothing to hate about this movie. This is one of the most talked about movies of all time again. You've heard other Raiders podcasts. I I don't know why we're doing this. Okay. Yani hit me with something. I don't know what uh, let's let's start on a high note. Well, actually before again, much like Belloc in this movie. There was a fly attack in Jani. I made a note that I know it wasn't a fly. But I did make a note of the fact that that flyff it flew up to his lip and I think he ate it. He was delivering his line and the fly flew into his mouth and he kept he ate it. Yeah, we all know this is such a Raiders fan boy. I know already. I know everything. Okay, I go. Anyways, I speak with a fly. I wanted to ask Who do you think had a better fly seen Belloc or Mike Pence during the vice presidential debate? Well, Pepe lepew Yeah, Pepe is going to be Pepe. See the joke here, listeners. I mean, that's obvious, but joke here is that young, he doesn't even know what I'm talking about because he doesn't pay attention to the news at all. I don't even know if he knows who Mike Penn says. That's how stupid he is. Anyways, we'll start we'll start on a high and then begin our slow, gradual descent into entropy. Okay, first thing starting off, it's the one thing that even I couldn't deny the action set pieces in this movie are amazing, incredible. Oh, yeah, no, no, no, you can't, you cannot look at them. In particular, the fight scene around the plane and tell me that that isn't a masterpiece of fight choreography and action coordination. It just is. Yeah, I mean, the the we come to Raiders of the Lost Ark. I mean, part of it is Harrison Ford and his performance as Indiana Jones. But major, let me finish. A major factor is like Yani said the action. I mean, the best action movies, in my opinion, are the ones that and you're probably going to find a flaw in this. But look at the action. First. They figure out what their set pieces are, and then work around there. That's what this movie did. That's what a lot of great action movies will do. So if you look at the transcript between Lucas Kazdin and Spielberg, when they were kind of evolving it, they come up with the set pieces first, and ended shows. Yeah, and Spielberg is such a fucking genius at doing this. there's so few filmmakers, filmmakers that both influenced me, but have a lot of similarities. So you got Spielberg's you got George Miller with the Mad Max movies, particularly if you're a road, Buster, Keaton, Jackie Chan, all those guys, what they do with action is essentially do a lot of setting up establishing geography and then paying off and very clever ways. But through whatever payoff they have, it transitions us into another bit of the action. So it's all being strung along. So for example, in the that scene that we're talking about, right now, with the airplane, Marian knocks the guy out, but because the guy gets knocked out, the plane starts turning, it's like a Rube Goldberg machine, all the action set exactly has caught a lot of cause and effect. And it's all very easily communicated. And that's what the best action scenes do. They have that cause and effect. And there's just, it's storytelling. It's essentially at its most basic form, visual storytelling and the scene. So if you didn't have any context for what was going on, you could still understand it. We're you know, modern day action movies, they just want to, like be really flashy, they want to move a lot they want they but they don't have an understanding that even I mean, one of the things that struck me a little bit is that these days, we have insane choreography at times, like really skilled choreographer action choreography, where it doesn't hold a candle to, you know, this specific scene, the airplane scene, what in reality, the airplane scene, if we're talking about choreography is not like specifically the hits. It's nothing special. I mean, it's just they're both just bruisers just hidden back. And they fall kind of sometimes. I mean, it's not, it's not crazy, but it it doesn't need to be it works really well. And it understands who these characters are the fighting style, and it all makes sense and works really well because it doesn't need to be that extraordinary thing that actually inadvertently doesn't end up working. Yeah, and I think a good example of that is the what in reality was probably a very slow paced car chase, but the car chase scene after the arc has been Yeah, I mean, you can tell that there may be going 25 miles an hour, maybe 20 miles an hour tops, but you're not paying attention to it just because there's always something happening on the screen and the editing keeps all the motion moving forward, keeps all the action going. And you know, music, which isn't in my three favorite things, just because john Williams scores become a little bit redundant to me after a while, the music also helps it also aids in this it's very, very synchronized, you know, to the action and to the editing. And there's also like there's also a there's structure there's like internal structure to these scenes to to these action scenes. Just to take the the car chase, for example. At one point Indiana is he's in a truck in the truck carrying the ark he's driving German guy hops in bangs Indy against the car wheel and then throws them out the front window Indy has to grab onto the grille of the car before the German can crash into pet Bailey Pugh's car in D crawls underneath the car crawls underneath the truck, climbs his way back into the cabin, and then reverses the rolls throwing the German out the window, who doesn't survive in the in the same way that he was able to so you've got that you've got a very clear structure to the way that action scenes work. I mean, I could do that I could apply the same thing to like every single one of these action set pieces. It's it's phenomenal and it's It's very obvious to me that they prioritize the set pieces, which, as somebody who likes narrative and plot the substance of plot, I find a little bit irritating, but I have to give credit where it's due action and in the Indiana Jones films, this one, but I'd say Last Crusade even more very good. Yeah, I believe, right. Here's the thing, like, I get what you're saying with story versus set pieces. But I think with this particular type of action filmmaking, you honestly have to prioritize the set pieces. Because when you don't, what ends up happening a lot is the filmmakers will write the story and then design the set pieces around what's there. And the set pieces end up being cliche or boring, or just, well, this is a circumstance of where we are. And it's just not interesting. I mean, it's so hard to come up with a great action set piece. Yeah, it keeps them moving from A to B, but the problem is like the trip from A to B, is a little bit boring, and sometimes blatantly expositional. And that's kind of that's one of my major dislikes about this. It is at times not all the time, I think that the the the middle hour of this film is perfect. I think the first half hour has some laws, but the middle hour would not change a thing, but I was like I get what you're saying. But another movie that I'll pick later on Mission Possible Ghost Protocol, is a movie that also prioritizes set pieces over story all the Mission Impossible they do. But I mean, I just particularly love that one. Well, it's like it's the same thing isn't isn't there's like the same exact plot device and every single one, there's this thing that's going to destroy the world and Ethan Hunt, right? That's his name, Ethan Hunt. I'm getting that right. Ethan Hunt has to stop the body pretty much and prevent the the thing that's trying to destroy the world from going off. It's the rabbit's foot. It's whatever it was in the most recent one that we're talking about that movie right now we're talking about I know we're pieces. The next thing I liked, unless you're Are you done talking about action set pieces was the more you wanted to, I just feel very firmly that I understand your why you have problems with prioritizing set pieces over story and action films. It's just as an action movie kind of sewer and somebody who wants to do that I see time and time again, you can take great action set pieces and then build a good story around it. But you very rarely can have a good story and build good action set pieces into it. I very, very rarely see that done. But the thing is, Leoni was one person who was phenomenal that and so it would come in off of Leoni and watching somebody who was really inspired really influenced by I don't really consider those action movies, though. I mean, they're not no they're not but they're they're an easier for refer to the kind of action that we had, by the time Raiders of the Lost Ark was coming out for I mean, first of all, the Leoni is such an exception because he's so brilliant. You know, I mean, I'm saying 95% of the action movies I see have bland even when they had action choreography, because they're prior doing story first, they're not thinking about how I'm going to stage this action scene. Like they're not thinking about the story of the action scene, because each as you said before each action scene because there's a set piece has his own story where they're not thinking about that it's almost like a short film unto itself. And they're not thinking about it that way. And that's where the issue lies. But what I really want to say and there's a small thing, but I watched Steve a couple years back, Steven Soderbergh took Raiders of the Lost Ark made a black and white version of it, then put the score of the social network and the girl with a dragon tattoo onto it. I was I saw I watched regular Raiders. And then I watched that right after it is so good. A, you know, no dialogue, no anything. It's just the movie, The visuals and that score. And it shows that like so much of Raiders is great. I mean, it doesn't have Williams score, which is great. But the visuals, the acting the story just so much was brilliant. Anyways, your next point Yani, I guess my next point, lead that into natural transition here, lead us into this, the scope we were talking about last week with come and see that just the sheer scope of the film was impressive and enough to kind of knock you back out of your socks. You can see that here with Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's a very similar experience. You know, filmmakers coming out of films like Star Wars, Jaws, close encounters, et cetera. Those experiences are clearly endowed them with the the know how and the wherewithal to successfully coordinate and film a movie of such an immense scale. Especially with all of the scenes in Egypt when they're on earth in the arc. You have all of your 1000s I don't know maybe hundreds of extra Possibly 1000s of extras running around doing this extensive digging, and then you have all the main action in the foreground. It's just, you know, it's very commendable. It's the sort of effort I think that makes this movie as enduring as it is, I think just just the effort, just the effort to make sure everything every scene every image, maintain this enormity about it. I think with exception to this, this the scene during the thunderstorm where they're actually finding the arc, which to me was just so poorly shot, poorly lit. And the VFX were so bad that I felt like I was watching a bad student film. Alright, sorry, listeners, I think back on it, but about that scene. I was I had by headphones came off and I had to fix it. So you're talking trash about when they find the arc? I'm talking trash about the scene where they find it during the lightning storm. Yeah, and all the lighting on then is yellow and inconsistent because they have torches, but everything's kind of illuminated in this uniform yellow gold glow. And then the sky above them is totally blue. And clearly either a well no, it's back screen projection, isn't it? They didn't have no it's not back screen. It was a I it's funny. I was watching. So I literally just bought the blu ray collection of the Indiana Jones series. And they had a new hour long documentary that just was all this behind the scenes footage of it really fucking great and fascinating. Like really worth a watch. Anyways, with that it was a blue screen behind it. And I think the added the other effects in post, like the lightning and everything, but it was just a blue screen behind very early blue screening key. And yeah, it shows it's not well, compositive No, we've come away a ways. But yes, I just to bring things around full 360 this was a complement to the scope. And I know that's something that you have some opinion about too. I mean, is it's like these that I tie in like even though we're young is still like these kids don't know what they're doing anymore. Kind of like praise but criticism, like praise for this movie, but criticism for the current stuff, because it's just like, you know, all this stuff would be CGI these days, and it just won't have the impact that it does. Because I mean the scope for I mean, like we were talking about the action scenes that it's like the action scenes are both really small compared to say like the Avengers movies these days. But they're also really fucking huge in the fact that this is all real. None of this minus a couple exceptions is an effect. It's all real. You know, they're like Yani said there are hundreds of guys in this desert. There's a lot going on since Yeah, I mean even even like when costume all digging all in like on the documentary. Spielberg was constantly like it was the hottest time of the year in Egypt when they were shooting this. So everyone was just like dying from the heat. And these guys are in like these four outfits. I don't know how they did it. But anyways, it's like even shots like Belloc or nd walking through the camp. You just have so many people. It's brilliant or like after the plane explodes. And then Indy and Marian and Sala are talking in the tent, and you have them in silhouette. But in the background, you still see the plane on fire and everyone going towards it. It's just like all this stuff. It's so small, but Spielberg knows that background stuff is so important and key to selling this film, you know, and the importance of it. You know if it was five guys, you'd go. This is kind of uninteresting. Yeah, no, you're right. And oh, shoot. What was I going to say? Hold on that lock scope. say this is a perfect movie. I have nothing. No, it's not. It is not a perfect movie. I've I I don't know if I have anything else to say about scope. It's Yeah, we're just hitting a dead a dead horse here. We all know that the scope of the Indiana Jones films is something to be an all at. That's what I wanted to talk about. Okay. You bring up a good point, a good example of how far I think we've fallen in terms of action, coordination, and just action set piece design in general. Look at the Did you ever see that Ben Hur remake? No. Okay. Did you ever see the original Ben Hur? No, I haven't seen there's a I think it's like seven or nine minute chariot race in the original Ben Hur, which is like 1960, William Wyler, and seven, nine minutes, it takes place in a stadium. And it took I think two years or one and a half years, and like $2 million in 1960s currency to have that Coliseum. Built by Stone masons and carpenters. And it was all for just like a seven, maybe seven minute race, maybe a 10 minute sequence in total, but it shows you can feel it you feel like you're there as a viewer you feel like you're in the scene, you feel like you're participating in the race. And every time that somebody dies, every time a cart is up turned, and you know, horses are run over things like that, you can feel the the visceral nature of the experience. And in this Ben Hur remake, not only is the chariot race only half as long as the majority of the Colosseum around them that the racing is CGI. And coverage is achieved mostly with GoPros hooked up to the carts, you know, with, like 60, FPS 30 FPS frame rates, as opposed to the 24 that the rest of the film was setting. So it really goes to show and, you know, it wasn't well filmed, the VFX weren't good, the acting wasn't great. It goes to show I think what that extra effort adds to an experience and adds to a film's legacy. And especially when you have when you have a good metric, in the case of remakes, you can really see how one succeeded where the other didn't, and why one will be continued to be studied and taught in film, education and film history. And one's just going to fall by the wayside. Does it argue that you know, and you can't argue with this more film classes. Throughout all time we'll talk about Raiders The Lost Ark as opposed to Cold War. Anyways, moving on. The last thing I'd liked. It's just a scene in specific is specifically the map room scene. I just thought it was incredibly well paced the music flows and builds this spectacular point in tandem with the editing when the the staff reveals the true resting place of the arc. cinematography is great lighting is fantastic. The VFX are on point. I think it's probably the one perfect scene perfect like self contained scene in the whole film where it's not action. It's not exposition, it's not people talking. It's just plot occurring without any sort of dialogue or human interaction. It's just it's the world showing itself to us. And I love it. That's a good scene. Last thing I want to talk about for appraising, because I know it's gonna lead Jani into some mumbo jumbo shit. One thing that I really love about this movie, and what a lot of other action adventure copycats try and do. Well first of all, a lot of action adventure movies, try to copy Indiana Jones in one form or another. It's such an iconic beloved film and every time I go like with the mummy or Tomb Raider, whatever it is, there's a national treasure. national treasure. Oh, Mike, no national treasure is so much better than Raiders of the Lost saying that sarcastically to annoy me. I know. That prove it right now. I have to tax anyways. And folks, oh, you know, we're gonna do an episode on national treasure. We're at some point where I'll get into this more. But anyways, a lot of movies essentially try to be any n Jones, but they fail on they're never going to be any Jones and Ian Jones is too good. But what I love about the tone is that it's especially with Raiders, is that it's really fun. It's silly at times, but it's also not afraid to get really dark and brutal. Because you need that darkness and brutality to bounce things out. I mean, for example, the when the German guy gets laid into death, you know, with, with airplane, I remember watching as a kid and being horrified and being like, Oh, my God. But looking back, I'm glad it's there. Because it's how you know to take the stakes of what's going on. Seriously. Watch, like, for example, the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. And what I also love, never walk around active playing propellers. Yeah. But it's that and it's particularly what national treasure lacks is what if we're doing an adventure? What there are no stakes? Sure, but it's like, I mean, again, we're not i'm not going to belabor national treasure, because we'll shit on it later. But the main thing is when you have these adventure exploration stories, we need to be thrust into the world of the unknown. We have to be going towards something that's mysterious, unknown and to a degree supernatural. You need that supernatural element. Because without that, that air of mystery is lost. And then it becomes infinitely less intriguing because we know what the real world is like. But when we are brought to movie, we don't know what the universe of the movie is. And it's something where we've seen a lot of effects. We know all the possibilities, but when the movie itself especially And what makes this movie so brilliant is it's not like it's constantly shoving supernatural elements in our face constantly. It's only at the end that we see any kind of bit of that. So it could have been a hoax the whole time. So it teases out, but because it saved for the very end, it has such an impact. And again, it's the film exploring. It's about that exploration and without that, like Sahara is another movie that I think it's a fun movie. But it doesn't have that a supernatural element that really holds it back. I know that's not what it was going for. But it's like going against oil tycoons and some Civil War submarine is just who gives a fuck I don't care. So anyways, Jani you have some dislikes of this movie for some reason. Hit me with one. Alright, the first one on my list. It was the first thing that I that I started taking note of, because I kind of it it annoyed me and it's what annoys me about Star Wars. About the about sorry, let me jump back there for a second. It's what annoys me about new hope and what annoys me about Return of the Jedi but does not annoy me about Empire. And that's the campiness, the campiness just totally totally takes me out of the story, whether it's from the very first instance of it in like the first two minutes when one of the Sherpas or guides, whatever his name is, starts screaming and running away in terror at a carving or it's john rice, a Davies reaction to the statue when there's slowly uncapping the arc chamber. It just doesn't die getting hit by the car, because you can't Yeah, like he's five feet in front of the car. But he like throws he flails his limbs up as if he's being run over. And it just takes me out of it. It it totally contradicts all the severity that we see. I don't think so. gradually rise throughout. And then it's like, maybe this isn't necessarily campy, but it kind of blurs the line of reality or the logic that the world itself establishes. And I'd said that I would do this beforehand. I told you I was going to do it. I'm going to bring it up. Maybe this doesn't count as campiness, but the drinking contest, the drinking contest between Marian and the overweight local man. Either way, she drinks like 15 ounces of 80 proof liquor, you're telling me a woman who's 120 pounds and I can respond to stay on that. No, she'd be she'd be passed out. Okay, it's just it a cow when there isn't when there isn't a cogency? I think to the film, when it tries to, I guess make humor unnatural it when it tries to inject the film with moments of humor and just justifies them by making campy those making them can't be it doesn't come off as humorous to me. It's it's totally unappealing, because it's totally unnatural to the events. Okay. Okay. I want to say a couple things. And you got in case I forget the Marian thing. Make sure that I don't forget it because I have something about that. Anyways, so first thing I want to say. And this is a quote from George Lucas when he was talking about in the one of the specials, he said my intention was to make a modern day fairy tale in a Saturday morning cereal vernacular. So that campiness is part of the point. Now, are they were they unnecessarily going, Oh, man, I want you to be goofy. You were like when Marian hits the guy with the pan? Oh, be like, do it in a silly way. No, I don't think that was necessarily the intention. I think what in reality again, watching that documentary, Spielberg and Lucas were coming off of big, massive movies. And while we were talking about the scope earlier, this movie, they did not view this movie in that way. This was more of a running gun approach. Or like, we want to shoot this lien. We want to shoot this fast. We want to go quick, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And for your argument, that hurts the movie, we're in reality, it's just like, these things, I think add to that Saturday morning cereal quality of the film. I think that is not necessarily 100% purposeful, but I definitely see Spielberg on set going like that guy was goofy. But you know what that adds to what I'm trying to build with this film. And it works. There are a lot of elements. There are too many elements in this movie to say that lows or accidents that's no no, I don't say and I'm not saying I'm saying it's purposeful. I'm saying it's a bad choice. I'm saying I'm saying it was George Lucas's ideal it he wrote the story correct and he was a producer. He came up with the idea for this story. He came up with an idea as Lawrence cast and wrote and Steven Spielberg directed it. Yet it just didn't jive. okay with me. It felt really out of place. But anyway, I want to speak to the Marian thing real quick. Now, this is a theory. It's not proven, but I would have to think she was cheating because you're right. I can't imagine that she was able to hold 10 glasses wears too much. But also, here's a couple of things to consider. It's her bar, if she's going to be able to, if anyone's going to be able to cheat in this contest. It's her. We already know, she's smart, and Riley and can think on our feet. So it's definitely possible that she's cheating. Also, even if even if she drank all that much and was able to hold it. There's an action scene right after she would be like, passed out like she would be laying around. Yeah, so holistically, either she was cheating, or I think that's the only explanation. I would be amazed to find out she cheated surrounded by like, 30 people throwing down dollars in front of her eye. There were tons of people surrounding them. No, I think they probably enabled her you know, for all you know, this is a guy who has an out of Towner and they're all fucking with them. He was wearing local garb. You're making an assumption right there. I was they were all wearing the same. Marian was the only one not wearing the clothing. What I'm saying is that there's a good chance she would I mean, but even then, even if, let's say she wasn't cheating, okay. Here's a better theory. Here's a better theory that you didn't need that you totally neglected. This is what could have been a local liquor that only had an ABV of maybe like 15 or 17%. like soccer. So maybe 10 shots. Yeah, maybe Why couldn't it? Well, you didn't think of that first that I did. I thought of that. That was I was going to talk yourself out of your own dumb ass Hall. No, because it was brown liquor. And so there's a good chance it was brown liquor, it was dark, so there's a good chance it was at least 36 ABV. Anyways, that strong woman her size passed out or vomiting or drowning in her own vomit. And then the Germans just come in, they take the medallion. I want to give you I want to say a quote from Steven Spielberg as he was shooting this movie. This movie isn't a real life docu drama. It's everything but and that's what makes it fun. So when you so when you criticize human beings, they're still human beings. Indiana Jones gets shot later on in the run time. They actually he has scars on his chest when he's being he has cuts on his chest what he's being dragged behind the truck. They still are susceptible to pain, temporary effects of alcohol. Wow. Yeah, Marian drinking. I know we all love this scene. But you know, technically speaking, a ruin. Because you know, and also Marion's dumb as a character. She's kind of pointless. She really doesn't do all that much but get captured. That's not one of my chief dislikes. That's more of like a writing thing. But like Marian is kind of just there to be the damsel in distress. Yeah, that's a weakness to the move alongside the ark. You know, also a I'm sure part of the intent was, again, Saturday morning cereals. That's what they were going after. Yeah. And just like a Saturday morning cereal. The relationship between Indian Marion is totally underdeveloped in almost like, you know, phoned in? It's like, okay, yeah, more of a weird kind of guy. You can you can tell No, no, no, that's not the type of I'm more of a don't even put her in there sort of guy. But if you're going to put in the effort, you know, maybe prioritize romantic than Cold War, some development between their characters instead of instead of having them be totally at odds when they're still in Nepal. And then the best of friends by the time they arrive in Egypt, you know, did throw me for a loop. It's also like hanging on. I was looking at the runtime as I was watching this, and it it's 156. Well, no, but what I what I found really fascinating is, so she she gets introduced around minute 20 or so. Right? They go to Cairo, and at the 30 minute mark, and she's dead by the 45 minute mark, dead dead in quotes. Yeah, quotes and like, man, they just asked her real quick, but it's just interesting. This, this happened, like a lot quicker than I realized. Which is interesting. Like it's a very well paced film. Again, very well structured. Yeah, I think it's well paced. I think the I would say the only issue I kind of had is I think the first 30 minutes. While great when I've seen it so many times drag a bit compared to the rest of the film. It's still good. It's just I wasn't as invested until we finally got the Cairo. Okay. Well, I mean, this is probably a good time to bring up the writing and in particular, the first 30 God. Yeah, no, here's the thing. About Lawrence Kasdan, he is fantastic at structure. But when it comes to dialogue and character interactions, at least in the grand scale, son of a bitch he's wanting. Here's the thing. It's just, it's just drenched in exposition when it isn't about action set pieces. And the worst offender to that scene is the arc, the introduction to the concept of the arc. It's just five minutes of four guys sitting around a table, looking at books and talking about the Nazis. And it just goes on and on and on. Yeah, when you read about the three minute mark, when you don't want to give three readings? Sure. It's a brilliant exposition scene, but you know, no, it's not. There's no, there's no real it's not well shot. When the dialogues not very impressive at all, I don't want to speak for other podcasts. But listen to the script notes episode for writers and they go into depth in detail about how that exposition scene on the surface, you can say that, but in reality has a lot of depth in regards to any edge Jones's character, but you don't see that because you're not paying attention to that. No, I see it I he makes some comments, you know, he, he's an archaeologist hunts for artifacts, he makes mention of the ark and says if you believe in that sort of thing, and then this guy, literally witnesses the awesome power of God by the end of the film and is more or less untouched by it. So we kind of have about that now. Well, I'll get to it. You set up an arc that doesn't actually end up an artist doesn't end anywhere. You know, and like other things, the movie kind of just forgets about the German guy at the bar in Nepal. He runs out with his burning hand into the snow and then the place is still on fire. But he's still there. Like he's still there and so are Indy and Marion. He's not dead. He's not unconscious. His hand is just burned. And he's still there. What happened? Did How did they did they just like totally avoid each other? Because he went out through the front, which is where the car is, and all the transports were part. They went out through the back What happened? I mean, he could transport he could ahead. It was after all at night, they just magically appear on a plane. It was to it. They just got out of it. Like I know, they just killed a bunch of people, but still one of the it's because he needed to last it's because he needed to survive. So the Germans or Pepe lepew could get one half of the medallion and then find the wrong location. I'm shocked the rot that up instead of the submarine scene. But you know, yeah, I'll you know, I'll get to there. Other things like Pepe Le que la Pugh he wants to he mentioned something about like talking to God. And here's the thing, watching it this time around. I think if I were going to rewrite Raiders, I would want a lot more Pepe because at the very end, he is it looks like what you know, when he's on, he's removing the top of the ark. He's dressed up and I don't know, maybe some sort of Hebrew garb and he's speaking Hebrew. I started thinking, Wait, is this guy Jewish? Is this a Jewish guy looking for the ark using the Nazis, the anti semitic Nazis to receive some sort of answer to this deep philosophical question he's had all of his life. Now he's not if that's the truth, hey, if he what that what I'm saying is, that would have been cool. That would have been an interesting villain, instead of what we got, which was free. villain. That's not what Spielberg is trying to say with that villain. He's basically saying, hey, Nazi sympathizers, and people who want to work like, you know, say, and justify the means. And we'll work with heinous people like the Nazis to get what they want. You know, they're, they're shitbags to? Yeah, what I'm saying is, it could be even stronger now, but it could have been even stronger if he was like betraying his own beliefs and his own people just to get an answer to his own personal question. I don't I get what you're saying. But I think that I don't think that aligns the message of the film. I think it makes it even stronger. Because with because I don't really get it. I don't really get the point. Then he's just an archaeologist. He's Indiana Jones, his nemesis. He wants to find things before Indy does and he uses the Germans as a means to do it. That's more or less it. That's theirs. Overall, but that's his. That's his storyline, like yeah, and then lastly, rather writing problem because my third thing isn't really that big of an issue. We'll get into it after. It'll just be like my one off joke. But, you know, get me tell me I'm wrong. You're wrong. I dislike how this movie commercializes the religious artifacts without due diligence to their religious or theological significance, which in turn trivializes the respective faiths in the eyes of both followers and outsiders. It's just everything is all Mystery impair normality, but there's none of the meaning there at all. There's no significance of the individual artifacts of the ark, you know, the named ark to anyone. It's just an artifact. That's it, it doesn't mean really anything to Indiana Jones, you get this slight inkling that it means something to Pepe lepew. But to the Germans, it's just this item of occult significance. And to the Americans, it is a means to undermine the Germans. I think you're mostly right as far as the character is, but I think it has an importance for Spielberg. Yeah, he's a Jewish guy, obviously, and to see like his faith represented in the film in the movie. That's cool. That's interesting. But I think it had an unintended consequence with its viewers where the viewers started associating the Ark of the Covenant not with being some real or possibly real item of religious significance. And it being more of this mythological fake Hocus Pocus sort of thing as to use Indiana Jones his words, I think, I think that's focus choice. That's a choice the movie made. And I think that's honestly more interesting then, because it delves into other religions, as I think you alluded to. So the movie, the series as a whole doesn't make any definitive choices as to what religions are or not real or exist or don't exist. I don't really I really don't think anybody seriously includes the second one in the in the cannon, it's not terribly good. It's kind of the the odd child out. I think that's more crystal skull. But I think both crystal skull and Temple of Doom, I think they're like two Indiana Jones universes. You have the universe of Last Crusade and Raiders of the Lost Ark. And then you have the universe of crystal skull and Temple of Doom. Okay, well, they're not different universes. They're the same universe. But the thing is the only I don't know if I want to cut you off the head before you make a one argument. But I would say to go off of what you're saying about the lack of, I guess, cohesion with the ark. I mean, on one end, I think it's very important. And why don't say important, but I think it's a strong message, that at the end of the day, it's not any end, Jones that beats the Nazis. It's Judaism. It's God Himself, that essentially its karmic justice, for the evils that the Nazis have committed to be like, oh, we're now you're trying to, like you inflicted all these atrocities on all these Jewish people take place in 1937 36. So before the Holocaust really started up, but it's after the fact. And I mean, we're, we're experiencing after the fact. Anyways, getting this come up. And I think it's interesting. It's an interesting idea, because it wouldn't have had the resonance if Indiana Jones just did it because he's not a man of faith. And also going what we were saying before about, like modern day movies, just something I was thinking about, was it this is a modern day movie. You know what, what happened is Belloc would get some super power from the ark, and then Indiana Jones would have to fight them. You know, that's what would happen. No, no, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. I think that what I'm saying is because it underplays the religious significance of the artifact. That ending doesn't land as well as it could have. Yeah, God God the Hebrew God is ultimately what Avengers does all the all his suffering people. And that's good. I like that message. It could have been stronger is what I'm saying. And it there were places where it easily could have been injected with that bolstering with that with that buttressing to the point. Maybe it's not there. But to speak. Last thing, one last thing. Yeah. Okay. So I know you say, we're going to the st. Maybe we're going to disciple Indiana Jones witnesses these things. He's a non believer, and then the Jew the Jewish God saves him and he's totally just passe about the whole thing. The very he's just prissy about the fact that he doesn't get to play with it. After he returns it to the government. I'd be like, Oh crap, I was wrong. There is totally a god and he's 100% Jewish that where's the nearest temple? Running there an accurate reading of it but sure. I was thinking about this a lot because you brought this up to me earlier. Now he doesn't witness it. If you think about it all eyes are closed he could feel the flames let me finish a dumb fuck yet his eyes are close so he doesn't see anything. All he experiences are the flames and the wind sure that some kind of weapon but that doesn't prove that the Hebrew God exists all set. Yet don't shrug you bitch. Are you kidding me all that proves I mean, I want to even go as far as the safe for him. In his perspective, it doesn't even prove that there's a supernatural element. All it proves is that that box had enough power to kill these Nazis. He don't even know that there are spirits because he didn't open his eyes. So he couldn't even see the spirits. But even then, the spirits come out and say, Oh, hi, I'm a spirit, by the way, Hebrew God, that's the way to go. You know, don't believe the other religions. No, that's not what happened. They just come out. They could be anything we don't actually know. Realizing there is you're totally I know. You're 100 Yeah, completely rationalizing? No, it's not just it's not just that he didn't see them. He heard them and he felt them. He heard so we didn't see the divine light, by the way, he mentions the Divine Light power of God and the very beginning. Yeah. And rising out of the box out of the fine light, whether it's an interpretation of met by man, people. That is he could hear it, he could hear it there. If we could hear if the audience could hear it. Why could Indiana Jones not hear it for all Singh flames, the Germans bodies? You don't know. It's, here's the thing, a lot of it because it's so short and so brief and left to a lot of mystery. There's a lot of interpretation that you can put or not put onto it. So for all you know, it could be the aliens from crystal skull, who created the Ark of the Covenant. And then this is some kind of a trap for everybody who sees it. You do not know you do not know. Okay, but and that's obviously not, but it's I can't wait. It's obviously somebody who was who, as somebody who's also seen Last Crusade, you know that there was also a Jesus in this universe, because his goblet was there, and they drank out of the wrong goblet, and somebody says all yours This is all people talking about it after the fact like, this is after hundreds or 1000s of years of people. I mean, even my roommate will say like, he's a teacher. And I mean, we all know, if you do telephone across a room, you're never going to get the same message, even if it's one sentence. So all this is conjecture, interpretation. It's not like any god or anybody specifically said later, like, came to Indiana Jones and said, Hey, by the way, this is the reality I exist. Indiana Jones. It's not that he learns to become not a skeptic anymore. He is still a skeptic. But he learns to have a respect for the Ark of the Covenant and the religious artifacts that he didn't have in the beginning. In the beginning, he says, This is Hocus Pocus, this is mumbo jumbo, he has to learn to respect in a sense to close his eyes, which I'm surprised you didn't make a note of it. It's not mentioned earlier, but is actually mentioned in a deleted scene that needs to close his eyes. So he closes eyes, which is him showing that he has a respect for the object that he did not have earlier. And also later on for the object of fear for the object, not just a respect, respect here, but also reverence. So I big difference. I know I know there's a difference. But I really do think it's a sense that we got here which means also all Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Again, that doesn't prove necessarily that it's the quote unquote, guess what God it said last something around it, right. It fixed everything by retconning. And confirming it so you can rationalize all your matters. Okay. I haven't seen the Last Crusade in like two years isn't only the night that says, By the way, Jesus the cup of Christ, right the night who didn't live in the time of Jesus, correct. You're rationalizing again, but it's as you can't say it was passed down that was passed down. It was passed down by the Templars. So what I'm saying is that really the years there was a succession is passed hand to hand. And that doesn't mean that at some point, somebody just made up the story. If you have the literal Goblet of Christ, if you have the literal Ark of the Covenant, there's going to be some consistency there. Sure. There's some consistently saying it's referring to in the beginning during the exposition scene, the Ark is the exact same design but as the one they pull out what I'm saying it's always a man's interpretation of it. It's only in the Crystal Skull that we have any kind of true godlike entity showing itself to Indiana Jones that's the only time you have aliens that's not I know it's alien God like that's not a god like entity, but actually close. Last thing is that's the closest we have and that's why I didn't say God, I said God, like cuz compared to humans, there's comparisons but Okay, okay, I want I want not even Taiko, I want like Martian Manhunter to come down. And then you'd be like, yo, bro, you don't got any shit on me and then friend Zack, get a death. That's what I want and be like, I'm sorry. Okay, well, I'll just sit here and hold my breath until he does. Oh, yeah, right now. I anyways, I won't die before you your health strongly dislike is the lighting in places the lighting in the temple in the in the treasure chamber in the very first scene is just awful it looks like it's um, what's that? What was that game show on Nickelodeon in the 90s? Rugrats? No, no. Okay, hold on. I need to. I just thought run side. Temple Run. Okay, let's let's backtrack. It might be something else actually but I don't know. Okay. Temple hidden Legends of the Hidden temple. There you go. Yeah, it looked like the lighting in that scene look like Legends of the Hidden temple, you know that show from Nickelodeon, late 90s, early, late 80s and Ian Jones, What a shitty movie your lighting wasn't up to snuff for you on the stand. It was really it was a really bad start. It was it was a really bad start with the lighting. But the cinematography is good across the board, but it's just it's fake. It's totally inauthentic. You know, it's an end. In addition to that, and this is something Spielberg does with a lot of cinematography. Not all the time, mind you, but it's something he did like during this period. And during the 90s. I'm not a huge fan of three, three point lighting. It's just really artificial. And the visual it produces, especially with color film, just looks fake. To me. It looks completely unrealistic, unnatural, and I know it's not supposed to be natural. And in black and white film, it does look a lot better. But with color, I just can't get my head out of it. I can't see it and think, oh, that rim isn't actually coming from anywhere. That's nothing that's that's a light being blasted from overhead or behind the actor, and then a key and a fill and it's just annoying to me. Do you dislike anything? There wasn't a single thing you did you not make a note of the lighting? Did you not think? No, I didn't because I had I was great. They only wasn't they I only have two minor, minor quibbles minor. It's the one I mentioned earlier about the pacing and the first half on that sorry, not first half first 30 minutes. And the second one was and I go back and forth on this throughout the years is the Nepal shootout scene I wish there was some music it kind of bugs me that there isn't any music, particularly because this is a film that is so music heavy, like the basket Chase, for example. I love how William scores that is also going along with how its scored. It scored very much to the beats of the movie. every emotion every beat has some kind of musical cue to it. So it's really weird and makes that one scene drag a little bit that's but that's so small. That's really it. Let's see, there was something there was another point I just I wanted to make about something that kind of irritated me. Hold on don't put this in how stupid your i'm i'm looking through my notes. Oh, yeah. You're talking about that basket scene with Maryam I mean that's like another nine. Not the bat, not the basket scene not him tipping the baskets not her being carried around. Okay, that's like a little bit. That's kind of a fun pursuit scene. I've just heard the basket fake out is so unnecessary. I don't know why they did it. They threw the basket in the back of the truck with a bunch of explosives and then indeed guns down to guys. And then the truck blows up with indie thinking that Marion's inside why what was the point of that narratively, they get mad what what motivated their decision to do to fake putting Marion Marion in the back of that truck and then drive off with it to give any ad Jones a MacGuffin in a person because ultimately, again, it's Maryam does he actually choose her at the end as opposed to the arc because that's part of his character art for God knows, because we don't really see their relationship develop there, like maybe two or three scenes. At one point, she hits him in the face with a mirror hard enough for his screams to be heard. You know what? You know, like you said, In Cold War, you can imagine that the points between A and B sometimes Yeah, okay. She hits the man in the face in the chin with a mirror hard enough for his screams to be heard outside the boat. Yet when she looks over the mirror, she asked him if he said something. In all seriousness, I have three things left to say. One wasn't even what I was talking about. But whatever. I didn't know Alfred Molina was South American. And two, I didn't know john rice. Davies was Egyptian and three. I don't know, I'm making this up as I go, which you might think was indeed a quote from Indiana Jones, but was actually a quote from Lawrence Kasdan. When asked how there were that many ASPs inhabiting subsisting and reproducing in a sealed space for 3000 plus years and he actually say that are you just saying that? You want to tell me how? And if so, where all the corpses were? I mean all the corpses were all the assets of course it corpses because those ASPs weren't just crawling out of there to die. And they can't climb walls so they weren't getting out of the holes that they were being shoved through. So I don't know how they were living in there were they eating the other ASPs? Is that something that ASPs do have generations of like 4050 6080 generations of these ASPs just been consuming one another until I call it a starve to death. Instead, I'm saying it doesn't make sense. There's no way they could have survived. There would be no ASPs in the chamber when the top when the lid was taken off. Which by the way, and this is actually something that's foolhardy with this with this part of the story fucking so they discuss Hold on, they discover the ark indie figures out where the Ark is, he confirms it there, it's there. And then they decide to remove it that night, instead of just covering the thing back up, waiting for the Germans to unearth the wrong location, pausing while they try to figure out where they're going to dig next and what they did wrong. And then while they're turned around or paused, getting it then as opposed to in the middle of the central dig during daylight. Okay, first of all, they didn't intentionally do it during daylight. It was no central. So coming up, it was coming up. Yeah, they started a joke all night. And then the sun started to come up. So they overestimate their time or their tracks. Why could they have not covered their tracks? The Germans didn't have access to both sides of the medallion. So they didn't know the proper heif they were they might have never figured it out. Yeah. And if they had just cover their tracks, put the cap back on left and then returned in a month. Would the ark have ever been jeopardized? Maybe I don't know. But also character wise, Indiana Jones is a pretty impulsive guy so it makes that choice I'd say more than that but Okay, that's more or less it for me folks. You heard it here. I'm not crazy about Raiders we're we did an episode we started there. We knew that we were we were going to be Encarta encountering this sort of dissonance of emotions have run high maybe friendships have been irreparably damaged. Oh II where we no longer have friends thank god no I'm saying I'm saying people listening to this episode and then realizing I'm right and then that all their friends are you rocking kidding me? If your listeners are friends. There's there's if you listen to this episode, and legitimately agree with Jani, and think Raiders is not a great film. I don't want to know you get the fuck out. Leave this podcast. I don't care. I don't need your goddamn listen. Okay, you're a worthless human being much like Yani. And I want to find the Ark of the Covenant. I want to exist. That way. I can literally be like, Hey, guys, I found it. Let me show you. And then have you guys, close your eyes. That's all it takes. Just don't open your eyes. Now I'm gonna do I'll do a clockwork orange on you first. Do you like that one? No, I don't like it. Oh, I do you know, I went on a RFI top 100 list. Raiders and a lot of Stark is above Clockwork Orange. I just want you to know that. Well, you know it. Sometimes people list things arbitrarily. It might also be above 2001. And we both know that's a better film. You've heard my final thoughts. Do you have any final thoughts, Shawn? That's a great fun. It's not typically what we do. It's a great fucking movie. I don't know what to tell you. I mean, now I I get bringing come in with my initial shot thoughts. And you have final thoughts. But I guess you already had final thoughts. I told last thing I'll say is I'm such a super fan that when I saw crystal skull, I dressed up. I had our Enya Jones costume. So I dressed up as any Ed Jones. This is like an eighth grade for me. And I went to my local theater. And at the time, the local theater. It was right next to my dad's shop. And he was like, maybe I can get you a job. So they did like a semi interview with me. As I was dressed in the Indiana Jones outfit before I saw this movie. No. Needless to say, did not hear back at it now. And in hindsight, I could have done that job. I worked in a movie theater after that. So they're lost. They're going out of business because of COVID Sukkot. Now, I don't really have that much resentment. I like that theater. But other fun fact. Spielberg in the behind the scenes, there was a small scene where Spielberg was eating an Egg McMuffin, and I thought that was kind of funny. Wow, he's human, just like us. Yeah. I'm just going through my notes. Oh, I recently got a humidifier and It's interesting so you know it's it spews out mist, and it has this glow in the dark option and I'm just like, it's almost like the Ark of the Covenant. You know? It's glowy it's got some mist coming out. All it needs to do is catch fire and burn your house to the ground and we'll be right where we need to be. Yeah, so it's crossed. Yeah, fingers crossed man. So last note, I want to make as I have a hard time between which is the better movie this or sorry, which is the better film this or any Last Crusade? I go back and forth. I think I think the trouble is that what they each have different strengths. I think this one is better totally. I think this better I think this one is better. With a with its action set pieces. Last Crusade is stronger with its humor as general sense of fun, and the chemistry between Indiana Jones and his father is just better than anything else, like character wise in the entire series. So pros and cons. I love both. I go back and forth on which one I love the most. And last point is Eonni is so stupid and moron. Alright, final race just so stupid and a moron and a moron and a moron. Yes. Final rating. Let's see gonna drink some wine right now pear for me to spit it up. Well, I can't do decimal points because you Yeah, well you know what? No, I am gonna do a decimal point one to say you can't do decimal I am so tired of you. So saying to me asserting your dominance trying to put yourself up on this this sort of this is supposed to be a partnership. I am not your guest. I am your partner. And I don't have a damn decimal point I'm going to get a teller I don't get to show a ruler I'm not playing this one shot to pieces 6.8 you're gonna get my copy gone. Okay, first of all, I'm going to throw you into the plane propeller you can get shot to pieces. And then I'm going to put you in my chicken noodle soup and feed you the dogs. Well, it still won't be as good as Mona's also so good. Point A how exploiting john Do you have to be to give any Ed Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark? I 6.8 fucking kidding me. Hey, guys, listeners. You wanted to say how dumb I am right into fk your opinion? podcast@gmail.com share the Hey, I'll just be high fiving a million angels to quote my hero Liz Adolph lemon. Is that actually wait that's her real name? Is that is that Liz lebensmittel name it is eight off isn't it? I thought that was your middle name. Moves Adolph lemon. Hold on. Oh, no, it's not it's Liz mere Valdas lemon. Okay, cut that to what you're saying. You have to cut out Joe is quoted it okay. Anyway, not her grandfather was named Adolf. Anyways, here's just I cannot six point A is just Hey, it's higher than kabhi Kush it's higher than kk k God, it deserves at least fucking seven. I mean, are you right? I can see also deserved a higher score from you yet you didn't give it so this one is kind of just a spite score. I'm not going to tell you what my actual score is. It's a 6.8 to you. That's all you get to hear spite me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me, me. Well, listeners, let me give you Jani his address. And lastly, in case you want to just send him a hate mail or death threats or anything like that. If you want to send Johnny a death threat right now Be my guest. I am not against it. I support that. Okay, well, Shawn, before we go, you want to hear why Yeah. Why next? What movie are we watching for next week? What piece of shit are we watching next week. So I thought we would watch it's a it's a movie from the early 2000s. It was starring a comedian SNL cast member alum who was just getting his start in more serious films. And he was like really trying to try out his range. See Exactly. You know what the full depth of characters he could play where it has a bunch of like other great actors in it. It's man. It's Alec Baldwin, a young young Dakota Fanning to it even has Kelly Preston. This film Shawn this film was shot by Oscar winning cinematographer Emmanuel lubezki. You know what we're gonna watch? I worked with him. We're watching cat in the hat. That's right, folks. Jani likes Cat in the Hat. Okay, you dumb fuck are you gonna give Cat in the Hat a better rating then Raiders of the Lost Ark. Tune in next week to find out folks. That's a yes. You Fuck you. I mean you little limp. I just like did your mother drop you on your head? Are you blind? there? was six Can you see? I didn't even touch the floor until something wrong with one a year eyes shot. Why vision perfect vision perfect body perfect fiance perfect life and it's only going to be more perfect with Cat in the Hat and you know neck. You know I'm going to pick after that I'm going to pick Fargo not because I don't think you would like it just because all I'm going to talk about in the review is how much I want to throw you into a shredder and just shred you. That's the only thing I will talk about. Because Fuck you. You're so fucking dumb. Go fuck yourself. Give yourself two kisses.