Ep 14: F**k The Return!

Hello this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast before we get started please make sure to like follow subscribe, write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram all those are linked in the description. Enjoy the episode How are you doing? Giannis doing pretty well finished two thirds of two thirds of my meds this last week? I yeah, that was how I go how they go down a couple times. Not at all. I had to literally jam my hand in my mouth to get the pill to go down my throat twice. I nearly choked twice last week which pal which fell. You know, I think it was the approximate silan prop the proxy? I don't know. I don't remember I stopped looking at the titles a few days ago like that one. It was it's no one. That's just impossible. It instantaneously is it soon. As soon as it touches your tongue, it just dries your whole mouth and throat out. It's just begging to be choked on. The kicker is that I had to break this one and I'm going to be choked on what there's no one else done. What I have no response for that. I just want to put that in your imagination. Think about listeners give some other possibilities. What what else is Yani Bagan choke on emails that fk your opinion? podcast@gmail.com. Has anybody actually emailed you back? We haven't gotten to that point yet. We're so far ahead. We're so far ahead. Scooby Doo just came out Scooby Doo just came out. That was like two months ago. Listeners if you're listening to this now this is the this was actually the 64th episode we recorded. What are you talking about? That's not funny, you? No joke? How was that? It was excellent. I want you to explain to me how that was a good joke. A simple, you know, set up and pay off one. If you're a longtime listener of these past few months, you know that there's no way we're close to 64 episodes. Obviously, we're on the 14th now, and to allude to the possibility that we might be further along than we currently are. upsets any expectations of the normal discourse? I don't know. At in all by all definitions, it should be funny. I think it's just your problem that you think it isn't? No, I don't think it is. I don't think it's funny. It upsets my expectations. But everything you say upsets my expectations, in the sense that I know what you're going to say I expect it and it just upsets me. I just get upset when you say anything. Does it ruin your day a little though? Absolutely. It always ruins my day, then listeners I got depressed now. I'm getting so depressed, because I have to listen to Giannis on a consistent basis. I mean, listeners if you have any good therapists to recommend legitimately, I need a therapist preferably in the Los Angeles area, because I have to listen to Giannis talk. Listen, it's all everything else in my life is fine. It's literally just Giannis talking and stating his opinion listeners. If you think He's exaggerating, he literally broke down to me last week and admitted that I was ruining the way he watched movies because I didn't watch them. He would start to nitpick the way I do. And not how can it stop that one more person in the world watch movies the same way I do, then I know I'm making it a better place. But here's the thing. It's a fucking movie. I know. That's not an actual argument. Don't get me wrong. But I just don't understand why you have to suck joy out of good things. That's what you're doing is here's the here's what I told him last week listeners. I said, I love movies. I've grown up with movies. Movies are a major passion in my life. What you're doing your stupid ass fucking arguments are making me look at movies in a way that tarnishes the greatness that they are because I'm looking at things that are just inconsequential that anything that don't matter, that for example, I'm adding the tango and cash episode right now. And you know what, Giannis? I don't know why you ever tried writing? You know what you should actually be? You should be either a script supervisor or a wardrobe stylist because those are the only comments you ever have about anything. It's either Oh man, this is inconsistent or Oh, did you notice this wardrobe malfunction. This wardrobe problem? Oh, there's no bullet holes and caches. Sure. Oh, Wonder Woman looks like she's pregnant. Only you are looking for that. Oh, multiple times. Why were there bullet holes in his in his shirt? It was odd. It doesn't bother me. We're not looking at fucking Oscar winner 1990 it's Tango and cash not Driving Miss Daisy. I'd actually say that Tango cash was better than Driving Miss Daisy. It came out is she had been in competition. That's all I'm saying. What I'm saying is there's no competition between the two Tango and cash is the obviously superior film. I haven't between the two of those two that go with that too. But yeah, you rile me up you so? Listen, I was I told Giannis Listen, I need to take a break from this shit. Because it's just painful to watch things these days because the things that I watch that I would normally love are becoming painful because I have to watch them and a Giannis lens and nitpick them unnecessarily. And then the shit he gives me is also sad and depressing so it's no there's no winning it's it's a lose lose situation. So yeah, any therapists send him my way. Fk your opinion. podcast@gmail.com Alright, Giannis. And the words of Tango and cash. Let's do this. So why don't you do your intro thing now? You do an intro thing? Yeah. Hi there listeners out Oh, shut the fuck up. Hello listeners and welcome to fuck your opinion. A movie review podcast where my co host Giannis and I Why don't we promise goto? I mean, I know I say every time and I really mean it. And I know you made it your mission in life to interrupt me to you know just take it away Yani. Say your make your peace. Say what you guys say. I got nothing. For fuck sake, you gotta interrupt me for nothing for literally nothing. All right. Hello, listeners. Welcome to fuck your opinion. This is a movie review podcast with someone else who will not be named together. We watch movies. One week one of us will pick a movie that we really love that we know the other one will hate and vice versa. So we trade off torturing each other. And it's great fun. And remember, like I said earlier? That fun is sarcastic. Help me Help me. God help me help me. Oh, God. Ah, you don't I was trying to reference something. But I didn't know what I was referencing. So I don't know what you're referencing. I that you weren't referencing what we watch most recently. I know that. Well, I mean, he says that after he falls he's helped me. Oh God, God help me. And then he dies. Oh, he doesn't say anything. He dies. packed. Don't even well as he's falling as he's falling. As he's falling the mic didn't catch it. But that's what he said this man. No. Do that. Have you look at the mouth as he's saying. There is no way the father from this film would would do anything so weak. feminine. As as cry out in pain or fear? Yeah. All right. So Giannis. What movie did we watch this week? Well, Shawn, last week, if you remember now, I know it was Father's Day, which I hadn't been thinking about at all the whole time we recorded because we were recording and I whenever we watch one of your movies, I have to get myself into a very special very guarded headspace to prevent any of the stupid from leaking in. But once we save on your end, know from from leaking in, that just emanates, so I'm sure leaks out of you, monster. Anyways, I for a moment had forgotten that it was Father's Day. And towards the end of the podcast. Just a side note here. I don't always know exactly what we're going to watch. Before we start recording for the week. I sometimes only figure it out in the midst of the podcast, and sometimes I don't even have it until the end. And this time that was the case. And sometimes he doesn't have it at the end. And we have to rerecord the ending because he chooses something else. Sometimes that is true. But you mentioned that it was Father's Day. And that got me thinking about a film that I watched as a very not a young child. I think I was about eight or nine at the time that analyze the relationships between fathers and children when you watch this eight or nine. Yes, I watched this for the first time when I was eight or nine years old. My parents sat me and my siblings down and we watched it together. No luck is wrong. With your family, oh my god, what my parents were really just tried to convey that sometimes Love does not look like love was this before or after St. Francis about or about around the same time actually, before let me get this right. You got here with a double whammy, a St. Francis compassion. I love birds and shit hug the lepers to child abuse. That was a pretty big that was a pretty big year for me. I also saw the seventh seal for the first time that year. I think I also saw Passion of the Christ around the same time. So yeah, pretty big year for young Johnny, eight or nine. Oh, God, I was it was the first R rated movie I've ever gotten to see. That was cool. I this passion the Christ. This is this is our I mean, it really wasn't. Like, I don't like this. It's not really violent enough. It's not violent enough. It's not but there's not enough swearing. No, sir. You're right. You're right. But like I've said in the past, I went to Catholic school, they weren't going to bring us the frickin Passion of the Christ. Instead, we went to I forgot the title of the film. But there's this film that came out I want to say 2004 or something like that about Mary. It was about Mary giving birth to Jesus, you know, Nativity story, and may have actually been called the Nativity story. I remember we had a class field trip to go see that movie. It was a smaller local theater. They had that playing, and they had Casino Royale playing and I desperately wanted to go see Casino Royale instead. But we watched a Casino Royale came out in 2005 or 2006. And was that year I am buying in. Anyways. I feel like you kind of we kind of progressed from my point, which was why I chose this movie. I've been thinking about the return a lot. In fact, I thought about it. I've been thinking about it for like five years ever since I figured out what the name of it was in English in Russian. I have no idea how to pronounce it. I don't even want to try. I can barely pronounce the directors last names of Yak and it says, Did your parents tell you it in Russian? No, my parents don't. My dad only speaks German English and a little bit of a little bit of Russian not enough Russian to I know this is another segue. But I have to ask I have to ask now. So I've been watching the Americans. The show is basically about Russian KGB father and mother who pretend to be an average american family and they don't tell their kids. Is this how your family told you that they were Russian spies. No, I figured that out from all the obstacle courses in the backyard. It was like it was maybe the third or fourth time I'd cut myself on that on the on the barbed wire crawling underneath it in the mud. And I thought to myself, this probably isn't what normal kids are doing. But by that time I was already 17 so by the way be impressed so that was only the third time I'd cut myself on barbed wire at the age of 17. I was really good at that one. I was also really good at the waterboarding. Did they make you kill a puppy? To show how tough you are? I don't I don't know. I mean, I there were a lot of small dogs. I can't say that they were all puppies because blindfolded at the time and I had to do with my feet with my arms tied behind my back. Wait so you had to strangle or shoot a gun with your feet you know it was a different scenario every time now that I think about it there was one time I had a knife one time a gun one time a pencil one time they just you know I just stopped on him so just stopped up for this explains a lot. Okay, Yannick continue continue talking about this movie and why you picked it and Chet I don't know now the dreams are just coming back to me. I'm lying awake in bed looking overhead and I see the corpses of every puppy or dog that I'd ever how do you how do you see the corpse as if you were blindfolded? The imagination is a powerful thing Shawn it's very powerful. Oh then you must have very little power because you have zero imagination. What were we talking about? Is this what is this a podcast about again? I forget. Hello and welcome to fuck your opinion. This is a movie review podcast hosted by yours truly. Sean and Giannis hi Yachty Ponta Scotto interruption there, buddy. Okay, cool now talking about this movie, okay. So yeah, dad's really, it's about relationships between fathers and children specifically, in this instance, fathers and sons and about the responsibilities that a father has to his children that children have to their fathers in terms of respect, piety, things of that nature. I think it's a really interesting subject, something that doesn't get explored nearly enough in cinema, especially considering that everybody has a parent and not everybody's relationships with their parents are have smooth or traditional in like in this case, sometimes you also have absentee parents. I was lucky enough not to have that. Both my parents were in my life and I never wound up accidentally pushing one off of a guard tower. Spoiler alert. That's how this one ends. I thought I thought that I didn't think he pushed. Yeah, he just falls. I mean, okay, here's the thing. What he had fallen off the guard tower if the kid if Ivan hadn't have close the floor? Of course not. But I'm just saying no more or less. Straight up, push him. He might as well have he might as well have gotten down there on all fours and just like slowly nudged that loose ball. I'm not defending. I'm not defending him at all. Anyways. But yeah, so that's man, good luck cutting this one together, because you just keep on you keep on distracting me at every turn your jokes about everything you say, I love this film. And my final point on it is this. After 16 years watching this film again, I realized that the first time I watched it, I was entirely wrong about what it was actually about. Whereas when I first watched it, I thought it was about an abusive father just using his kids to achieve whatever nefarious ends that crate in the in the hidden chest in the field was for but watching again, as an adult, I realized it's not about that at all. It's actually about a man struggling to turn his boys into men, and the inevitable failure of that due to his absence in their lives. It was a beautiful statement. And before you give your rating, I have a question. What So you said earlier that you watched this film, originally, when you were nine years old, your parents set you down to watch this film to teach you a lesson about love. And you just said that the takeaway from your initial viewing was that the father is a piece of shit who uses kids, and then only upon watching it later, as an adult, I would have to assume at least 10 years later, you realize the real message. Also, suppose it realized that at this time I watched it again, I realize that so now so what you're saying the the entirety of the time between now and then you took this as my parents are trying to tell me? I don't know. I don't know that this guy's a piece of shit. Maybe it was to just appreciate the like, well, I want to know what your message was that their parents not the film, but their parents are trying to tell him I think the message they were trying to convey to me as a child was that I should appreciate what a swell setup I had at the time, it definitely didn't come across. What what I picked up this time definitely did not come across to my little naive eight, nine year old brain. And I don't think it could have and I think that's something that's that is so spectacular about this film, is that depending on where you sit in life, whether you're a child or an adult, your level of maturity, you get a different story. You take something very different away. And I think that as the older you get, the more you'll find you identify with the Father than the kids. So what you're saying is that you took away when you were a kid, you were the good fortunate Russian boy that got to live in America. Why you keep No I don't. I'm not Greek. I'm not Russian. I'm Greek. I'm more Well, okay, more. Night in the heritage, bro. I know. I know. You just admit earlier that you're KGB. I know you yet yet. Okay, what's your writing? Definitely a really solid film. I can't say that. It's perfect. Because I think that there are a couple of flaws. One, of course being just kind of how thin the plot is. But on the whole technically gorgeous, you will seldom see a film better well constructed than this one in terms of cinematography, sound design? editing. Yeah, no, that's how I feel about it. I would go ahead and give it a 8.3 if we're allowing decimal points. You know, I know you know that you say it. every goddamn time. I really what what do you what do you say? What are you at this? Right now every time? Why? How would this work if I don't give my rating every time? I mean No. What I'm saying is every time you say if we will allow decimal points, you know, we're 14 episodes in or 64 cortex the stupid ass joke you made earlier yet no, that allows decimal points. What the fuck is wrong with you? I have no idea what he's talking about. If you have any idea, please Email in at fk your opinion@gmail.com and maybe provide some sort of information to a deuce to his case otherwise, I just don't see what he's talking about. Yes, it's not holding any water. Just do a montage of all the times he says that in essentially every episode, I still have no idea what you're talking about. So, okay, anyways, Shawn, you've heard why I chose this film and you've heard my rating on it now I want to know what you think it's about what I'm gonna I'm not gonna say what I think it's about I'm just gonna give my general plot description my one or two sentence logline as you will in the industry. This film is the typical Giannis Ponta Scotto family vacation you got you got lack of talking between basically everybody and not really expressing their feelings. You got child abuse, you got bleakness rain, sadness, pointlessness and death. Again typical Ponce de Scotto family road trip you do it like once or twice a year right? You forgot the fishing but yeah more or less spot on? Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot the fucking fishing there. There's no such thing as a panda Scotto family camping trip without fishing Shawn you fool around patricide you well you know my one of my younger brothers did try to he didn't try to kill my father but he did try to paralyze him if that counts for anything. Does that sound like a healthy family dynamic to you? Just on the no in all in all in all honesty, we were on the merry go round. My dad was spinning it way too quickly. youngest brother got scared because he's a total Ivan Yvonne however you want to pronounce it. He's a totally Vaughn got scared jumped off. But just so happened to be like dolphin diving right at my father's knees. took him out to get knee surgery in his early 40s. I guess we see what child Giannis relates to the most. Yeah, I'm a total Andre you're an Andre I'm an Avon. 100 I'm a I'm a Hondo. And you know I was actually about to say of everyone in this movie. You You probably most closely resemble Avon than anyone else. Now I'm definitely in Avon in the St. Francis episode, you were the guy kicking those two beggars out of his home and who only ever wants to eat and complain about everything that's going on and be a petulant little brat, like the way alright, that's fine that you're talking about. That's Yvonne. Yeah, that's you. He can be a pain to watch, but I don't think he's a little brat in that sense. Okay, before we leave, before we continue talking about this and your little Andre. Oh man, Daddy's here. I'll do whatever daddy says. Oh, Daddy, please love me. Oh, God, love me daddy. What's this movie about what happens in this movie? Okay, a pretty simple rundown two brothers growing up. single parent home one day after they get into a little bit of a scuffle with some other neighbor boys. They run home to tell on one another defined that their father who has been absent for the last 12 years has mysteriously showed up out of the blue. They ate dinner together as a family for the first time and like, you know, a dozen years. And the father proposes that they go on a camping trip, you find out that the mom has already Okay, the whole thing for some reason, and they leave the very next day in time you quickly realize that the brothers don't really know how to read this guy. They don't really know anything about him and their father doesn't do anything to clue them into a lot about his person. He's a quiet guy, pretty stern. He's got a very not menacing, I'd say but kind of imperious look to his face. But it's not about fun. You know, it's not a very fun guy. So no shit over the course of the film. They as they're traveling to go on this camping trip. They make a few stops they go to what diner their father forces them to make more adult decisions take on more responsibility. ie at one point he asked the oldest Andre to go find them place to eat Andre disappears for like three hours doesn't actually really find them anywhere to eat. He makes Andre pay for the food while he goes and makes a phone call. You know little things like that. Nothing huge nothing monumental. Eventually they get to the camp grounds. They do some fishing. Ivan is kind of a whiny little little runt I'll only ever wants to defy his father. One point earlier on. Ivan's father asked him to refer to him as father and Ivan's a little bit resistant to do that that later becomes he totally deserves that right? You know, no, I'm not gonna say he does I'm not going to say I'm not going to make a lot of Defense's for their fathers more blunt demeanor, it is ultimately what becomes his downfall. But anyways, at one point during the travels, Ivan complains that he wanted to go back and finish up fishing because they left too early and so they're his dad makes him get out of the car at this bridge just kind of throws him on the side and then drives off for hours until rain starts pouring down and he picks him back up but eventually the trip takes them to a beach where the boys learn that they're going off to an island somewhere a couple miles off the coast that appears that bundle is unraveled and it's revealed to be a motor that they attach to a boat they say not sail but they What do you what's the word for that? They wrote Well, they don't roll initially. They cast off they motor over we don't need every fucking little nitty gritty detail they motor over halfway at some point the motor gives out in the boys have to throw Ivan's total baby about the whole thing Andre takes it in stride and just realize this that's you know, that's their assigned tasks. That's what they're doing. They get to the island. There's some more disagreement at one point Ivan gets really frustrated with his father after his father forces him to drink. I'm assuming vodka because it's Russia. What else are they drinking? Except in the beginning? They were drinking wine when his father forced him to drink alcohol. I'm drinking some wine too. Oh, by the way, you didn't do your stupid Yogi thing. Well, after you're done with this thing, I'll do it. Okay, so after Ivan's father forces him to drink some I'm assuming vodka. He runs off and Andre follows him and he tells Andre that he stole their father's knife and if his father attempts to touch him again, he's gonna kill him. Everything kind of comes to a head when the boys on the last morning they're there on the island take their father's watch and promise to only cast off and fish for like an hour and then they disappear until 7pm when they were supposed to be back at 330 kind of an upsetting thing I think if you're a parent the possibility that your kids could have drowned somewhere and then not knowing where they are for close to three and a half hours dad gets frustrated starts hitting Andre because it was his responsibility to make them return on time at that point Ivan runs off takes out the knife and threatens to kill his father than chickens out like a total was just like on a total Ivan can't even go through with the parasite. Okay, first of all, he's off into the woods. Yvonne and you know runs off into the woods dad takes off after him because he wants to make sure that he's safe and I think you're legit as an audience member you're starting to see that all of his reactions to his sons everything that he's doing comes with this grain of care and in his own way love love love follows him That's him heading Andre he oh he only hits on it's only that one time I don't think you can get upset about it it's only one time everything every other okay yeah, you know it's it's questionable it is. I'm not going to say it isn't questionable but anyways follows Yvonne out to this guard posts that he'd showed them the earlier day evens climbing all the way to the top of it and at some point he arrives at the top closes the floor bolts at shut so his father can't come in and as his father is attempting to follow him up to get him off there because he Vaughn's threatening to throw himself off the top a board comes loose and Yvonne father plummets to the ground and dies on impact the movie from there as just the boys dragging his body to the beach, getting it on the rowboat sailing over the ocean back to the coast. They arrive at the shore unpack everything and as they're about to retrieve their father's corpse the tide has come in and it forces the rowboat away from the shore and it sinks and they leave. That's how the movie ends. It's a little bit anticlimactic. It's just downright sad. Leave it to Giannis to make what should be Oh quick Wikipedia summary into a full on novel man. I don't think that was 10 minutes but sure shit felt like it every little fucking granular detail. Oh man. He went to the phone and beta call. We didn't need that in there. What the fuck you doing? Well then edit it out. That's your job. That's why you're earning the 70% you edit it to 70% shouting is nothing anywho listeners as Giannis alluded to earlier, my dumb Yogi green tea quote. Oh, the episode is the essence of life is to communicate love. I feel like that's very apropos for the move. be watched, because they don't communicate love, even though it's the essence of life. You're right. They don't. That's a huge problem. That's that's the reason that everything ends tragically as it does, because there's this absence, there isn't an absence of love, but there is a lack of its communication. Yeah, it's like, I don't think any of these characters don't necessarily not love each other. It's just they don't know how to express it. And they always express it poorly. If anything, I mean, what it shows you that it kind of all starts with the parents, if the parents don't know how to do it, if the parents don't understand it, or if your parents show you the return at nine years old. Then the kids wind up being unable to express it to Yeah, okay, they essentially pay for the sins of the Father, you know, normally. So listeners I for the past two episodes, I've been making a Google Doc, so Yani, and I can kind of go off of that and have a better structure. So what we would normally do is go to three favorite scenes, three least favorite scenes right now but after some of our discussing right now, Giannis, what's cool with you actually want to start with talking about Andre and Yvonne in a general sense, because I feel like we both have a lot to get out with that and then lead into those scenes if that's okay with you if you don't want to do that totally fine. You know, it's 30% and nothing is still nothing. What is that? Like? It means that my that that means that the the nothing that I'm getting is less than your nothing theoretically. So I feel bad for you that my nothing is less than your nothing. So you go ahead, you do your thing. I do way more work than you. That's what you're trying to say. Yeah, more or less. Yeah. Cuz you have to edit these. Yeah, let's go ahead. Let's start. Let's talk about them. I listeners, I want you to know, I put in a good job editing. I'm not one of those schmucks who just put on a filter puts the episode out and says, I'm done, guys. No, I actually go through these episodes. He does take out boring shit that you don't need. like half the things. Yani says Shawn stuff. Yeah, I mean, I take out plenty of my stuff, too. Don't get me wrong, and actually make it way more palatable and listened to. So I just want you to know, I'm putting in that work for you guys. I don't get anything out of it. appreciate this watch. This may allow you to know. Yeah, appreciate me. And brawny, brawny paper towels. If you ever want to sponsor us, please, you could clean up so much of this mess. The mess of this podcast. Yes. So you're saying paper towels can clean up a metaphorical mess? I don't know. Maybe they could or is that dumb? Are you saying the sponsor money will clean up the mess of this podcast? Oh, well, you know, maybe come see come saw. Let's just talk about your an Andre. You like Andre. I'm an Avon. I'm more on Yvonne side. I wouldn't necessarily say I like Yvonne a ton, but I definitely relate to him way more than you sympathize with him more. Yeah, I think I need to be outright I just need to be upfront and state. I don't identify with any one more than the other. I think that one of my siblings, one or more of my siblings have kind of been an Avon before. In the past. I've had to coexist with the Vaughn's in my childhood and it can be a little bit frustrating. As an older brother. I will say both my sister and I are avans. Neither of us are not your poor parents. Yeah, I'm an older brother. I am I have several younger siblings. And I can definitely see the way that Andre is behaving in my past in my past behavior. He has to act like the older brother sometimes in this case, he asked he literally has to be the quote unquote man of the house. And that's a difficult thing. It bears on him. It's it can be frustrating just being the oldest sibling not necessarily being the man of the house. I didn't have to do that. But I did have to have some sort of merilee position of I did have to have so I have a mustache. Okay, I can grow real mustache shot. Where's your real mustache to what the fuck you talking about? I don't know. Last week you were looking pretty baby face because I had just shaved I had just shaved like two weeks ago. I got everything wrong. Real mustaches don't actually shave. That sounds like some stuff. I was experimenting. I was I it was the first time I had shaved in like two years. Two years. So don't give me that shit. You're always back and forth on shit all the time. Don't give me that up. But Andre, I understand Andre out of the two of them. I understand Andre. I understand his motivations. I mean, I guess I understand the way he works. Yeah, I mean I guess I understand both of them but with Andre, I understand on a theoretical sense, I just don't relate to or at least I don't relate to just him in general. But you're an old your younger brother. I'm here. I'm an older brother, a younger brother. I'm an older brother. I'm an older brother and have a younger sister. Hmm Okay, well then i'm not i'm not i'm not total Yvonne. I was more so and Yvonne on the inside but not on the outside. You're like an 8020 Yvonne Andre split I really don't want to be an Andre though. I really don't like if you were a Capri say salad you would be the tomatoes and the mozzarella. And then so the tomatoes and the mozzarella that's the Yvonne right there and then the then the balsamic vinegar that's that's your Andre that's what you are. You're a Capri say salad and the basil. Let's we can't forget the basil basil is very important and a compressor. Shall we talking? Who cares? Oh, what I was gonna say if you know what I think would have helped avans and his father's relationship and we also have to know the father is just a father. He doesn't have an actual name so we're just gonna call him I love that. I love what what have really helped a Vons and his father's relationship, I think and something I'm sure you can relate to to Giannis, if they b th took flomax together. know I shot if a VA well if his father was taking flomax he turned into to Yvonne in the backseat is Hey, buddy, I know you got some prostate problems too. And keep in mind this kids what six seven years I think he's no I think he's supposed to be 12 Okay, this kids 12 years old. They get a kid I know you got some prostate problems too. Here's some flomax for you Sean. You know I that does sound a little bit preposterous but you know, I can't deny that my father and I have gotten a lot closer since we both started taking flomax together. I think it's important a father and a shot a son should take flomax out of the same bottle that they should sync up their their dosages their daily dosages it's it's all about keeping the family together you know as the saying goes the family that urinate slowly together stays together I was bad i don't i don't like that I don't keep it I don't want I regretted you got that long ass that big tub you know that big year and all that's all connected the all prong together it's like a trough yeah yeah. So you all p&i trough together? No, we stand up side by side and we empty our bladders into one one regular bowl toilet. This explains your family every explains everything honestly about you. Honestly, when you have the luxury of a bowl toilet and not a hole that you've dug in the middle of the Andes Mountains, you start to appreciate it you start to want to share that experience with everybody met multiple people. I'm sure your parents growing up in Russia, in a similar experience to father in this film made of porcelain toilets and running water. It is a luxury sometimes it is you joke about it. But you're being sent every single person in a developing nation right now. You piece of trash. No, I'll I bet it's a luxury. At the same time. Most people are paying with their family. Well, Sean, you know what they say? The family that that's how we got in was just gonna, we're done. Just move on. Just move on. Okay, we've talked about the brothers. We both know. I'm a slight Andre. Yeah. Anyways, so yeah, let's talk about three favorite scenes, what we'll do is trade back and forth. So first scene, I picked four favorite scene is the opening scene, we start on a tower by a seaside cliff, and a couple of boys are jumping down into the water, but it's a pretty steep jump, and there's rocks below. So each of them is essentially daring. The other ones to jump in. And if you don't, then I forgot the phrase they use but essentially they say if you don't say yeah, yeah, you're a pig. That's what they say. So everyone is jumping in because they're all peer pressure to jump in and they don't want to look like a coward. That is until little Yvonne who is the youngest of the boys there Jess reserve refused to do it. He's too scared to and his brother Andre is a bit older and wants to fit in with the other kids says Come on, you got to do it or you're going to be a peg does not support his brother at all says okay, I'll jump in first. So you can see that as possible. And then you jump in after me. He jumps in and with the other boys pressures Yvonne the jump. Yvonne eventually doesn't jump and they all Leave him there alone up there. And it's up to his mother, I have to assume hours later to get him and bring him home. I think it's a really great scene. I mean, even before I knew what the movie was about, it's a scene that really draws you in right away. It's a scene that examines peer pressure, toxic, toxic masculinity, and this idea of what it is to have courage and also, and conversely, what's cowardice and going off of, I think stuff that happens later on. It's also you have to keep in mind this is from a very childish perspective that really gets highlighted throughout the movie, because that idea comes up again and again and again, but becomes more fleshed out and nuanced and more mature, you know, couldn't really put it a better way myself, I put it perfectly. I think that it's a very effective way of establishing the characters right off the bat from the sequence of events that you get in this one scene, from start to finish boys around the guard tower, or the lookout tower, whatever it is, they're jumping in Ivan evens too afraid to jump in his brother, Andre deserts him with the rest of the group. And then his mom shows up maybe a few hours later to retrieve him and he's crying talking about how he was too scared and how he didn't want to come down with her because he would be considered a coward or a pig. If he did, it really sets up exactly who these characters are going to be throughout the film and how they're going to change. Yvonne from the very getgo you know that he's the more timorous the more fearful, possibly the the more more sense, cautious, more sensitive. He's any certainly more attached to his mother if I were going to choose between Andre and Yvonne but who the mama's boy was I put my money on Yvonne. Oh, yeah. But I would also say and lesson part of this could be me reflecting on Yvonne, and seeing myself and him. He is a guy that doesn't really care about the approval of other people as much as his brother does. Well, he cares so much about it, that he doesn't just climb down. Partially, it's probably out of fear. Yeah, it's no, I agree. Because he's too afraid. Yeah. But he's too afraid. But at the same time, between this group of boys and his father, he's not just needlessly seeking approval from people, you know. And you're right, you're right about that Andre Andre. But what I was about to say was, between the two of them, this definitely sets up that Andre is a little more, he's a little more concerned with seeking and achieving male approval, to the point where he might even value it over his own familial relationships. Yeah, that definitely carries over to the relationship with his father. And you imagine that both of their current situations they're both their their current character dispositions are a direct byproduct of the lack of a father, the lack of a male figure in their life, a male figure of any kind in their lives, not to say that, you know, a single mother and her mother or a grandmother can't raise two boys together, but I think that there was just something missing when you don't have that that male role model in your life. And for sure, I really liked it. It's aside from all that aside of from everything that it does in narratively and character wise, the cinematography is just so so darn right? Yeah. Buddy shit, got away. That spider got away goddamnit sorry. I'll be sure to interrupt you next time that you there was a spider I needed to kill it before it lays eggs in my world. His little his baby Yvonne afraid of a little spider. No, but it's a pain in the ass when you got webs over and you got spiders climbing up in your food and shit. And I don't want that. I don't want that in my life. It's protein man. It's protein. Again, you live out in the woods, finding whatever you can for survival. I know whatever your family taught you. They three out in the woods, when you're a kid 20 miles in the forest said here's a compass find your way out and you know what they gave me they gave me a week to get back home and I stayed out there for three months. I have the time of my life. There's nothing good about that story. You know? Like the the the natural lighting is just great. But how they managed to get some of the shots that they did working with that guard tower. I don't know how they did it. I don't know if they just ridges to the side. I would be really interested to see a behind the scenes mini dock on the making of this film specifically to explain how they achieved those high elevation shots. I don't know. I'm not because it's a little terrifying. It's a little terrifying at that height because you see that they didn't. They weren't using green screen. They weren't. They weren't faking this. They were actually filming up that high. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I agree. That's impressive, technically, but as far as cinematography goes, I wasn't particularly impressed as far as shots being beautiful in the sense of how they look or how they're composed or anything. Yeah, well, there's so well composed. There's no camera. I watch Tom tensional Oh, my God, like are you kidding me? But yes, yeah, it chop gun cinematography, better guys. Good god, no, just being super hyper saturated and glitzy does not make your cinematography good. It's more than that. Okay, so let's get on to the first the first scene that I really liked. The first favorite scene, I'd say I had was the brothers lying in bed, discussing their father after dinner, talking about what the trip was going to entail, how they were going to keep a journal of, of all the events and trying to figure out who this man is who's been gone for over a decade of their lives making guesses as to, for instance, if he exercises because they both remark and how big he is how strong of a man he looks. And it really serves also to create this sense of mystery surrounding the father because as the story goes on, there are only a handful of allusions to his history, his past where he was for 12 years why he disappeared and you don't learn a lot. It's never confirmed you never know exactly where he went or why he went. You just know that he did and you know that it left an enormous hole in this family's life. A couple notes I want to say their first note, if I kept this in, listeners spider came back climbed on my drawer underneath my computer. So I just I was trying to kill a spider by didn't want to unplug anything. So I closed the drawer on the spider. So now it's trapped. I will kill it when I open it and we finished the episode. That's first note. second note. Yeah, scene with the boys. I honestly forgot everything that happened. I remember that it existed. I don't remember what they talked about until you reminded me moving on. Next scene. So my next favorite scene, the boys begin their road trip. There's a lot of tension between father Andre and Yvonne, particularly between Yvonne and father. We really don't know who this guy is. But he's very, he just he doesn't know how to relate or speak to his children. He's very demanding. I don't know if I say snippy. But very, I want to tell you to do this thing. You better do it. No ifs, ands, or buts is very strict, I'd say almost military, and a lot of senses. They say that he is a pilot. They talk about him in that bedroom saying they say he was a pilot. So I assume that he was in the military for some period of time. We feel very uneasy towards the guy I really hated him at first. Then we have a scene where they go to a diner have some food tensions continue to boil between everybody as Giannis mentioned because he j st happened to mention that ph ne call on the plot descripti n. The father has a phone c ll tells Andre to pay and then w it in the car. Andre and Yvo ne walk outside and another oy jumps the two steals th ir wallet and beats them up. B th these boys just cower and j st take the hits while the fat er watches on the inside fat er walks out like what the h ll happened? They complain ab ut it. And you know, I'm gonna be honest, I probably do the s me thing. I'm that kind of g Total Yvonne. I am a total avant just take my wallet guys to say. Anyways, Father jumps in his car chases after the boy, we don't see the chase that happens. But he comes back with the boy in the front seat a little bloody, not too much. And because we don't know who the father really is, and we built him up to be, as Johnny said militaristic, we don't know what shit is gonna happen. It's a total wild card at this moment. So he takes the boy out has his son's face him and says Andre hit him. And Andrea says Now I'm not going to do that. And something to note that I think is important is right after the boy steals the money and runs off before the Father chases after father's like what happened and both boys said he got the best of us If only we had a chance we'd had are we to get we get back at him. They're essentially trying to not take the blame and show how male they are now Everything back to where I was father says, Andre, you said you wanted to hit the boy hit him. andriese like, I know I can't do that. Yvonne hit him now, but I don't think I can. He goes back and forth a little bit. It's clear that the boys aren't going to hit him. They aren't going to stand up for themselves essentially, what I am in favor of you shouldn't just fucking do that. But anyways, what I really love about the scene is what happens right now. Yeah, where the father knowing that he could straight up beat this kid to a pulp. He asked the kid What were you going to use this money for? Kids says I'm hungry. I was gonna get some food. The Father gives him money for some food and boy runs off. I thought that was the beginning of a slight redemption for that father because you know there's a lot more to him is not a stereotypical despond despondency, of abusive father, it shows something we haven't really talked a ton about. And I'm not going to I don't know a ton about it. But this is a film that set in Russia early 2000. So this father would have lived through some real shit, you know, lack of food, lack of resources, poverty, that kind of stuff. So when he gives the kid money for food, you know, that he sympathizes with him, he knows that struggle. He knows having to go through that. And while what the kid did wasn't right, he showed compassion in a moment that you wouldn't expect him to show compassion. And that was just a really, it was just a great moment. I agree. Yeah, no, I agree. When you want to discuss the Father. And he's you bring up the fact that you don't really know a lot about him. He's very secretive, or the movies very secretive about his history. This is one of those moments that alludes to any number of possibilities about his background, thinking about it more, I do think that he probably was in the military. He was a pilot. And it's possible because later on, at one point, while he's talking with his sons, he tells them, he doesn't like fish very much. And they asked him why. And he said he had to eat a lot of it once for a very long time, and doesn't give them any more than that. I'm beginning to put together this picture, knowing that he dug something up on the island that they finally wind up on, and that he hides it in the boat, intending to leave with it, that he was probably in the military, he took something that he shouldn't have hid it away. And he probably did time for it. He was possibly in a gulag for a very long time. That's why I figured so when he finally came home, he was finally out. As soon as he said, the fish thing I knew right away. Yeah, he's either in the Gulag, or he was a prisoner of war or something where he was in some kind of prison camp situation, which honestly finding that out. And as again, this is just me interpreting it was not explicitly said, but just having that as a possibility made me not, I don't want to say sympathize with but what's, what's the word come to an understanding more of where he came from, why he is the way he has. And also throughout the whole movie. He's trying to toughen his boys up for life. It's something that most Fathers will do, they will try and teach their sons lessons sometimes, and all fathers different ways. They heuristic way that the way that you achieve you achieve the end results by trial and tribulation, it's not something that easy. It's something that might get you caught up or scraped up a little bit, but you'll be a better man for it. Exactly. And I think what his intentions were, and he can be tough on them, but it's with the his situation. It's with the understanding that Listen, if I don't toughen up my sons right now, they're not going to be ready for the world that I know is out there. So with that, I understand where he's coming from, even though he is misguided at times. Yeah, that's great scene. I'd love it. Seeing them get beaten up and losing the money. You kind of want to see those kids get beaten up, but glad that it doesn't happen on that kid. He's been Oh, shut up. He was knowing what you know about the Father. At that point. If you've taken time to think about it, you probably realized that he was terrified. He was probably terrified waiting on that log for like three and a half hours waiting for his sons to come back. I think so definitely. Here's the thing at the very end, and this kind of, I wish I wish I'd seen i'm gonna i'm going to lead into my I'm going to lead this into my argument. Well, no, he's an ambiguous character. I don't think they The movie was never going to show it to you because you have your own by the end. We should have I think you know exactly who he is right before that montage of photographs comes backing up to my second one, it's going to be their altercation on the beach and subsequently his death. Oh and listeners I'll just make this note before Giannis goes i to his spiel. This is my most ha ed scene by far. So what will h ve it out Yani? Tell me why I l ve this scene so much. Ok so just to set you up it's the last day that they're there earlier in the day the Father has gone off to a field to retrieve from this abandoned old house a device or a little repository just something as a small container like roll my chest that little lockbox yeah sure that was buried in a chest inside the house. So a whole lot of Casa authorized to do the shit you do you mean to tell me that the Father logistically space wise as the shot showed the father was in the house the boys are outside me. How How in the world did the father get away just walk out of the house and neither of them saw each other? It literally impossible. I don't know man, telescope lens really compressed the space they could have been a lot further out than they actually were. I don't have a good explanation for it. I think that's a problem to how he managed to get out of there without them finding him. But anyways, he digs it up the boat while the boys are on a walk. He beats them to the shore. He hides this little lockbox in the boat and the boys return and they ask if they can go fishing. He says no, we're about to leave. They insist that the fish are biting today. They'll only be gone for an hour and he does this thing he takes his watch. It appears to be a pretty nice watch. earlier on in the film. He gave Yvonne two minutes to finish his soup and bread took off the watch. And he started a little I mentioned earlier that he another reference to the prison camp. He had this watch within the whole time he actually this is alluded to it's not explicitly said but it's alluded to the fact that he stuck it up his ass and had it up his ass the entire time stuff no one would think. And then after 12 years, he shut it out. Oh yeah. So give it down. So anyways, back back to the not not ludicrous stuff. He takes his watch off gives us the Andre and says here be back here at

30pm. The boys go out they start fishing, the fish aren't biting and they go out exploring to see where they might be able to find some fish. They eventually find this old Marina or stock. You're not stuck here. This old dock with some abandoned boats on it. They hang around there for like three and a half hours apparently. And they come back and it's 7pm. And the sun is beginning to set and they find their father just sitting on a log waiting for them to return. And as they pull in at least setting up the scene before he even talked about. Yeah, anyways, they hop off and they've caught a fish they caught a fish at the boat. And he just he isn't having any of it. He stands up very stoically, very quietly and he asked them what time it is. They say at seven o'clock. He tells them they were supposed to be there three and a half hours ago, Avon starts making an excuse saying that he insisted on it but but their father holds Andre responsible for it. He holds him responsible for Yes. And he slaps him. he slaps him a few times. I think it's like four or five times because he Vaughn showed up late again, I think it's because he was so terrified that his sons might have drowned or died or gotten lost or been washed out to see that he can't really hold back the anger when it happens. At the same time. It's also punishment because they should have been there on time. They knew that they were trying to leave by the end of the day everything was packed up waiting to be taken. They had to sail off of the island and get back to the coast yet they decided to stay out for three and a half hours. So he slaps them a few times. Yeah, it's probably not the best reaction. He let his emotions get the better of him. That's what I'm assuming that's how I interpreted the scene. But when he finally knocks Andre to the ground, Andre says father the year Andre says go ahead and kill me kill me or something. And he's got like a little handaxe on in the sand and he picks up a and x and to scare him. He says Oh, you want me to kill you. At that same moment. Yvonne who's been digging through the bags in the background, pulls out a knife and he says get off of him get off of him or I'll kill you. The father turns around. I think he drops the axe off screen but you don't actually see it and he starts approaching his son very quietly very calmly, says his name and Yvonne says something along a lot. He says something along the lines of I could love you if you're different but you're terrible. I hate you. And then he goes on to say it and I father every day demand. Yeah, it goes on says to their father that he demands that they stop that he stopped torturing them. And if you were to look for a better place to summarize the main the central conflict of this video Any, any, any other scene would be inferior to this one because it really summarizes the different ways in which they're looking at this relationship. The boys, they see their father and the way they're reacting to them, this person this manner of conflict resolution that they haven't really been experienced to their whole lives because they haven't been. They haven't been around him. And they think that he's just torturing him because well, I don't know. I don't know why why kids think that way or necessarily justify now ask saying things that nine year old Johnny, why was he doing it? They think about themselves, they can only really think about themselves and how other people's actions affect them and not how their actions affect others. But it really somebody no shows how much they misunderstand their father's intentions and how warped their perspective is on the entire experience. So Ivan become so upset that he throws a knife to the ground and he runs away. And his father follows him he very easily that you'd think okay, given the situation, if his father didn't care about him, didn't love him was just sick and fed up with him, only came to the island to retrieve this one thing and used a trip with his son's to mask the whole event. Why would he chase after him? Why would he follow him? Why would he try to calm him down? But he does. He follows his son to this Watchtower, that he taken them to one of the days prior which by the way, also an interesting, interesting look at how Yvonne has changed as a character just in the last few days, because whereas he was simply terrified of the heights earlier on now he feels emboldened enough to climb all the way up there by himself. And also they learn how dangerous it is. And they also learn how dangerous it is. Because Yeah, when when Yvonne closes the roof on at the top of the watch tower, his father seeking to prevent him from casting himself off the top climbs around the side. And as he reaches the very top, not the smartest idea, the top the the top board loosens. And he falls to his death. And it's done in one shot. It's this is all achieved in the same shot. I'd love to see how they did this. Because what it is, it's like this medium frame of their father climbing up getting his fingers at the top of the board and he's just looking over it when before you could even process it. The board falls out and he drops to the ground you hear a thud and as that's happening, the camera is slowly dollying to the edge to where when it reaches the edge. It's fully tilted down and you see his corpse on the ground. Like how did they shoot that? How did they manage the film? Can I do like that? I do a little nitpick right now a little nitpick, go ahead, nitpick nitpick. I really, it happens so fast that you barely have time. Like I'm saying the beginning when he falls like the board wobbles and he falls. I really wish they spent a couple more seconds on it. We actually saw his hands come over. And then there was a little more wobbling and him pleading with Yvonne a tiny bit more. So we could register what was going on? Because you almost have that shot start in the middle of what's going on as opposed to getting into it if that makes sense. It's a really small thing. doesn't need to be in there. But I think it could have helped you know, I don't I don't necessarily disagree as a kid that really caught me off guard. It still caught me off guard this time. And to be honest, I just like for I bawled when it happened. It was so unexpected and so upsetting to see that happen. You just know. And he Yeah, before you know it, he's he's gone. But probably my favorite part of the scene is what follows Yvonne climbs down. Andres there he had arrived at the base of the tower just before his father fell and they stare down at him for a little while. Andre says that they have to drag him back. And as they begin to pick up his limbs and talk him away. Yvonne starts crying. He starts crying and breaks down and I think he even calls him dad. At that point. I might be a little bit mistaken. I might be jumping the gun on that one. I know he calls him calls after him says Father Father come back something like that dad come back when his body has been carried out to see in a sinking at the very end. But if ands he's made a full 180 at that point. He he at that very instant he realizes that he's lost everything he didn't know he had. Like he'll never had that potential like everything that it could be is gone in a second. And you see everything. It's the the kids extremely talented. That's the other thing. Probably we haven't seen yet how talented these two boys are. But good. There's Yvonne especially of the two of them. Yvonne is such a fantastic actor for how young he is. And I make this comment later on in my notes about how I don't believe for a second that anything I'm seeing on screen isn't a genuine emotion. Yeah, now it can be an issue. Sometimes in movies, I don't believe when an actor is reading a line or saying a line that they actually feel it but just very well composed. I know you don't like the scene. And I know you don't like the rest of it. But I read I was reading a lot of emotion and eyes reading some trivia. And I read that how they were able to get Yvonne so cranky and irritable all the time, was that they never fed him. So that's why when you have the line, I'm not hungry. Or I'm hungry. It's because he's hungry. It's okay, that actually made that oh, I wouldn't believe it. I would believe it. The one in Russia, you know? Well, no, when working with child actors, child labor laws vary from unethical. Yeah. If you want to make a movie with kids in it, you got a you got to cross some lines. All right. So why I hate this scene. I think exactly what Giannis said I agree 100% I think it achie es what it wants to achieve. I 's very effective. It's just wha I hated is that it was suc a fucking shame. And I'm sure ou felt the same way. But you f lt that in a I appreciate what he film was doing, where I felt it as a shame that you're, you re adding to your some of y ur thematic points you're doi g, and you're adding to charac er sure. But I prefer movies wh re characters grow together. nd sometimes I want th se heartbreaking things to happ n. And there's not necessaril a flaw of the movie. It's j st personally Honestly, I just as so upset by what had happen d. And I really wish there as something I mean, even if he dad had an injury, and he was in a coma, he didn't just strai ht up die, but he was in a co a. And then it was up to the b ys to try and rescue him or to ry and bring him back to he mainland, using what they ad learned. So essentially the s me stuff. Just he's still alive it i want i wish they had come to some kind of understand ng between the two, before he actually died. Go to shut er water. It's one of those j st you find it more on Europ an filmmaking, but also I gue s, Russian filmmaker, I do 't really watch Russian film, s I can't say. But it says someth ng that's just, you can go for an ending, or the to repair or at least attempt to resolve th ir issues. Or you can just do something bleak as shit. T is one would be bleak as shi a little bit for shock value. ot entirely though, like I said, it still has points. It's poin ed as messages. But honestly, ou could have you could have d ne anything with the ending. An I still think it would have b en powerful. But this is what he director chose to do. This is what the director chose to le ve us on. And it's j st frustrating. That's why I f lt by the end, I felt frustrat d. And I'm sure that was he intention. I wish that he disappointment felt more ear ed than something that was just so shocking, if that makes sen e. It's not to say that that's ot to say it wasn't totally earn d. There was definitely a lot of setup, there was a lot of poi ts where that was foreshadowed. nd it works within everything it doesn't I don't think it ta es away from the impact of a fi m. I just wish it was someth ng else. That's that's my schpe l. And I feel like it could h ve been stronger if I didn't do th I feel like it could have been something else. I don't disagree with that. I think what's interesting about what this achieves in terms of character development is that he could have the father could have lived could have been in a coma, any number of things could have happened where he could have survived and they could have got off maybe they wouldn't have been a happy family. But I don't know he could have survived. However, they mature fully by the end of the film, they are traumatized and upset. But to some degree, there's an amount of closure there. They've grown way more than they ever could have in his in so short of a time. He was only in their lives for like five or six days. But the lesson I think they learn from this is such a monumental and such a lasting one that couldn't ignore it. It's not the sort of thing maybe it's the sort of You go to therapy for you don't say, you'd go to therapy if you accidentally caused your father to die in front of your eyes. Hmm. Well, both of your eyes, not just your eyes, but your eyes and your brother's eyes. Hmm, yeah, but they're grown. They mature. It's they they're instantly mature the moment it happens, Yvonne Yeah, it's mature by a foot. Maybe too mature Bye, bye effect of trauma. But I think that's I think that's an interesting concept, the fact that sometimes it's traumatic events or upsetting events or disheartening events that cause us to mature greater than anything else. And I imagine that's something that their father experienced very similarly in his life. So you also have this interesting theme of history possibly repeating itself again, I can't confirm that the movie can't confirm that nobody can really confirm it, except for the director. You know, you know, I will say they're, they're a lot more they do resemble their father a lot more in in manner at the end of the film. I will say I would take back all my comments I just said, if at the very end, Len Yvonne, they get back to shore. They look out at the boat and Yvonne whispers I see dead people cut the black 10 out of 10 does you just did you put on funny repellent before you came and did this? Did you just walk through like a mist of sanitizer that somebody had accidentally plugged anti funny mist into now in honor of this dad movie? I put on my best dad jokes. Haha. Yay. Me, man, man, man, man. Went from you went from dolphin to go to go? To Taylor Swift go. Oh, yeah. Oh, my favorite. Let's just move on to the last scene. I think we're running out of time here. Yeah, we're running out. I mean, I just want to say that this will be like 30 seconds. I really love a scene we skipped over. When they first get to the island. There's a short scene between Yvonne and Andre, where Yvonne just stole his father's knife. And Yvonne says I'm going to kill him if he touches me again, or something. And Andre is basically like, chill out, bro. I really love the scene because it totally reverses these characters from how we set them up. Initially, we set Andre to be essentially the braver one in Yvonne to be the coward. But those are in low stakes situations now that these characters are in a real life dangerous situation, at least for them. Yvonne is the one that steps up. And Andre is the one that is really unsure about himself and not not as confident and I don't want to say a coward, but definitely not willing to step up if his father did anything. Okay. Is that your last? Your last? See, I'm efficient. Unlike some people who want to spend 10 minutes setting up the scene before the actual scene they want to talk about cut it down. Cut it down. If you want to cut it down in your own fucking words. You don't need to. I have to listen to it. God you did that. You did that setting up the scene with the boy who steals their money. You did the same thing. But again, not as long. Not as long. But that was me Ani that was me. You can't accept me too. You can expect me to hold myself to the same standards. I'm above you. I'm the law. I am the law. I am the FBI. I am the law. I've learned that my only impressions that I can do are Scooby Doo. What was the other one? It was what has to be school? It was Scooby Doo. And another movie that I just added is not Lost Highway Tango cash now. I can't do it. Oh yeah. My I learned that my only two impressions that I can do are Scooby Doo and jack pallets. Whoa, whoa, I am the LA joints. Now do jack pallets take on cash, cash and cash cow? I am Nah, that's not very good, but it's kind of more of a Batman. Anyways, my favorite last scene. It is the kind of the last scene it's the montage of photographs at the very end the whole during the whole runtime and we haven't mentioned this yet. Andre had been taking photos of their adventures. You mentioned the way and so you you you finally see all the photographs that Andre has taken just of him and his brother Nothing of their father, oddly enough, and I think that not oddly enough, but interestingly enough, it shows that the entire experience was one that they really only view through their own eyes and not his. But you do you do see photos of him in the I believe the very last frame. Like I said, you've been seeing photos of them of each other at the docks, on the beach in the water, and what they finally end on, I think there are two or three photos that are from the same role that this first photograph, the only family photograph they have together that's hidden away in a book somewhere in their family homes, attic, it's of all four of them together, dad's on a bike holding baby Yvonne mom is holding up, little toddler, Andre, and dad smiling and they appear all happy. And these same photos are finally of the Father. And it really it reminds me of the end of another great Russian filmmakers film another Andre, who was actually clearly a very big influence on this Andres film, Andre tarkowski, the end of Andre rube live where you see all of Andres icons that he's painted. And over time all these the film that's been entirely black and will white up to that point turns color when you finally see the icons and the music's kind of swelling over it almost seemed like kind of an illusion to that to me, just to see the world through their eyes in the world that they kind of had their blinders on to everything that existed outside of it IE their father, and to see him as a young man as a young father. I think he's even smiling holding a baby on. It's just it's it's I don't exactly know how to express how I feel about it. The music is very ambient, very atmospheric at the time. And can I chime again, it doesn't tell you that the film doesn't tell you how to feel about it. It really leads you up to know it. It does everything up to your own imagination. It doesn't tie it necessarily how to feel about it. But particularly with the music and I also thought This scene was great because it offers such a contrast compared to everything we've seen before. So with this photo in particular that you're talking about, it shows like you said the father smiling and holding one of them as a baby. So you see, like that new fatherhood you see that happiness, that joy on his face. And going with the ending, you know, that he dies is such a fucking a heartbreaking and better sweet moment. Because you see that moment of pure potential of what their lives could be that you could see, you know, almost imagining a happy fatherhood childhood where he is raising his sons and it's just life is happy. Life is great. The any the future can be anything at that particular moment. And how we know it's just not that that's not what happens. What actually happens is just so fucking sad. And yeah, it breaks your heart. It does. Well, more than anything. I think it's most heartbreaking because all of this comes right after the very last scene, while the second to last shot actually were there in the car. And Yvonne pulls down the the sun guard. And it's a photograph a photograph from the same exact series that the original from the same exact, sorry, from the same exact reel as their family photo, except he's not in it. It's just a photo of their mother and the two of them. And it's been inside their visor this whole time. Yeah. And more than anything, It functions as a confirmation to them. of his true his true feelings for his kids. Yeah, exactly. And also, a little thing they the kids mentioned earlier, is that they say how do we even know this guy is actually our father just because he says it our mother say it. We don't know this guy. We've never met him. So to get even though we as the audience are fairly sure it's not like there's any confirmation until that point. And because it just hits you with just so many different thoughts and feelings which again are left to your own interpretation. It just it's just really powerful. I'm glad you enjoyed that seen that that's that was important. enjoys now the right word. I don't like something I it was something I didn't remember at all. From the original viewing. Oh, yeah. Your nine year old self didn't remember that. It was completely surprised. I and I was really happy, but it was there. I think I will say I I think that is the biggest moment of that montage. But something you're leaving out is the fact that we have all the photos of the road trip beforehand. So and what is so important about that is that these photos show Yvonne and Andre smiling happy actually having a good time or living their lives as kids, which is such a contrast compared to literally everything we see, throughout the course of the movie. Everything we see from those characters is so sad and bleak. They're never happy, I don't know, if they ever really smile throughout the movie. So to see them just being kids is so impactful, because it just shows you kind of like their characters, the camera itself is only showing you a lens, it's showing you the lens that you look or the director looks at this film, or that's not the objective truth. It's a very subjective lens. So the director is subjectively looking at and showing these two viewpoints where that's not that's not even the way to entirely look at this because there is stuff that is kind of like the opposite of like rose colored glasses, where the the glasses are just bleak. Where in reality, it might not have even been that it might have been kind of more even handed, you know, so I thought that was also really strong. And then yeah, okay, cool. Well, done with the scenes. Well, we did have those scenes that we didn't like, I think I actually had one that kind of shit that far into that. I already talked. Yeah. Yeah. Let's just talk about a couple of scenes that we didn't like real quick. Cuz I listen. It's pretty apparent. I like this movie, too. So there's no shoot. Really? Yeah. There's honestly not Oh, I thought you would hate it. Wow. Did you really think I was gonna hate it? Yes. It's It's so quiet. And it's slow. And it's contemplative. It's quiet income. Not anything that I yeah, but it's purpose. It's purposeful, where I feel like other things are not. Anyways, so I looking at our Google dog, the scene that we both really don't care for is the in the middle of the film, their car gets stuck in the mud during a rainstorm. Father gets out the train, you know, get the car out of the mud. He's teaching Andre how to do it. He's like, okay, you're gonna put some sticks into the wheel here. Andre is like, I don't know how to do it. Father says, I'll show you this one time, but I'm not going to show you again. Watch and pay attention. Okay, I just did this one. Now do the other one. Andre being the Andre he is tries and fails at the other one. The father comes around. I can't remember if he slaps him or just pushes him away or something. But then the father does it himself. And then Yvonne has a little aside with Andre, and says, Oh, you thought he was a great dad. Well, like I told you, he's not the best daddy. He's not the great guy. You think he is just because he's a daddy. And yeah, I it's not a terrible scene is just, we've had this scene maybe three or four times at this point. The The film has a real pacing problem in the middle. I'd say. It's kind of just like, yeah, where's the island? How do we get to it already? Yeah, I would say we do. We do. We're there by we're there by I think minute. 50. About the time I like that when we move leave for the island. I think when they read there's a scene where they're at the docks. I think everything they're on can either be cut or shortened. You know, okay, are they up before they didn't like about the car in the mud scene? You do have this, which Yeah, it's kind of just hitting hitting that same point. Again, just more ambiguity, like you said, use you couldn't remember if the dad pushed him or if he just like, bumped in, move them out of the way. What you're forgetting to mention is that in the process, Andres faces like, jammed into the side of the car, whether it's accidentally or intentionally and he gets a nosebleed as a result of it. And that's what I think inspires Yvonne to make that remark about his their father not being the person that they think he is, or that Andre thinks he is. And it's just, again, open to interpretation. You don't see the their father's face while he's doing it. You don't see anything more than his hand or his elbow, some part of his arm, hit the back of Andres head and he bumps into the car door. It's not obvious exactly what's happened who's at fault there. But it's just more of the same. It's it's him trying to teach his sons a lesson, getting some pushback, and then they leave, and really need to be there. Yeah. All right. I mean, we basically talked about, honestly, the third scene I have, I just kind of threw in there. Do you want to talk about your other scenes? Or now, you want to just wrap this up? Ah, well, you know, what if I had to choose between the two scenes I listed on there because honestly, I just had to find something to fill. And these aren't even scenes I disliked, they're just ones that I thought could have been handled a little bit better or with a little more nuance. First and foremost, chronologically, I'd say that the kids bullying Yvonne, why never stayed in this but after, after the first scene we cut to Yvonne finding Andre and the rest of the boys in an abandoned building a derelict building. And everyone calls him a coward, including Andre and Yvonne starts fighting with Andre. And they eventually Andre, Yvonne runs out and Andre takes after him. And the kids, you know the it's just like, it's not very nuanced. It's not very subtle bullying. It's about as nuanced as teenage boys can be. So I can't really fault the writing there. Because teenagers aren't really that creative. And they're insults never going to be it's not going to happen. You're not going to have little teenage Oscar Wilde to get up there and just completely own these boys without knowing it. So I'm not that angry with it. I just wish I don't know. I don't really know what I want. I just, and I like that scene a little bit better to move on. And lastly, the dinner scene. After the boys arrive home, they find their fathers, they're there. The whole family has dinner, and everybody's extremely quiet. Their father insists that the two boys drink a little bit wine. Again, these are 14 and 12 year old boys, though what is Russia? So culturally? There might be even legally some different restrictions on the level of alcohol consumption. I also think his father having gone through this shit that he got went through just felt less than giving them some alcohol. Not a big fucking deal cuz not gonna kill them. Yeah, that's not the issue though. I'm actually totally fine with that. Because he was he was an alcoholic. And the problem is just that they don't talk there. We don't see any talking. Maybe there was some talking, I just feel like there naturally would have been a little bit of discussion. I actually like the one time the one singular time where Yani didn't like the silence. And I did because normally I'm all about I want some talk and I want some dialogue. I actually was cool with it. I just felt like there would have been a little bit more. Okay, you know, but the boys they didn't ask very intricate questions as teenage boys or you know, adolescent boys are going to do with adults they're unfamiliar with even if they're their fathers, if their father has been away that long, they're more or less a total stranger to him. Again, I can't fault it all that much. It's just I'm just I'm used to something so different that it would be hard it's hard for me to put my shoes my feet in the shoe okay that well Yanni Let me ask I just situation I gotta know what comes up at the Pontus Koto, family dinners. What do you guys talk about? Well, we don't, we don't eat dinner, we eat a lunch. And it's the it's a very big, it's a very big meal. The the whole extended family comes over, we sit down in our in our dining hall, of course, on both ends of the room being these giant hearts and the meal lasts approximately six hours. And then we all go off to our separate rooms to read, you know, read exegetical or ancient Russia, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You can tell that I'm riffing right now. And I don't have anything to say. He can't just say what actually happens. We eat dinner, we talk we make fun of each other. We do regular family things. Okay, cool. What do you expect? Why do you Why else do you think I don't really understand the situation as well. All right. So anyways, what do we do? What do we do after this point? We're gonna wrap it up. We're wrapping it up, like not a college frat boy. We're wrapping it up. Oh, my God. All right. Yes. So that was genius. So I'm going to give my final thoughts. Like I briefly alluded to, and as you can probably tell from everything I've said, so far I actually thought this movie was pretty darn good. I went in expecting to absolutely hate it. The fact that I had to rent this on amazon prime, and there was no standard definition told you how to get it. Okay, I told out how to get here free here. Let's let's be clear. So Johnny told me how to get it for free on a movie right now movie. I don't know you very well. But I downloaded your app on Roku. You say? Oh, you get we only have 30 pureed films that we rotate throughout. We're going to be really complicated only have 30 films. Oh, it's easy for you. But it's actually further pretentious film off. Let me finish let me finish. Let me finish. Listen, let me finish. Listen, you didn't listen to the audio. I said it was a channel on amazon prime. Let me finish? Well, no, I did. And now I know you said that. And when I was on amazon prime, it didn't give me that option. Normally, when there's a channel for something, it would add it would give you that option to do it. Like for arrows or something. It's gonna say rent buy do arrow subscription, it did not have anything about a movie subscription. But anyways, I digress. Because then I went on the movie website and tried to actually just get it through there, get the app through there and the app set start your seven day trial, put in your credit card to say which plan you want to get. Now, I've been duped in the past where you get your free trial, but then you're still stuck with the thing for a month. You know what? I'm not paying the 1099 for a movie for one month, when the standard definition for this is 299 movie. I don't give a fuck about you. I don't want to I looked you up there was only one single movie that I would have tolerated in your whole catalogue besides this one. So no, I'm not gonna risk that 1099 sorry. Anyway, I think you were looking at the wrong version. There were two versions on amazon prime. There was one from one channel and one from the that's that can be possible. I definitely watched it for free using this. On the Movie Channel up down amazon prime fucked up. Yes, you did sell your final thoughts entirely in regards to your poor movie. I will say nothing in my perspective about movie has changed though. I just want to be very clear. My final thoughts your movies, you're just a belligerent user. That's all you are. So yeah, I thought the movie was really great. It was very effective with what it was trying to achieve. And yeah, it had to be always uncertain about what was going to happen. What was going on. It had me interested in vested with the characters. Who were I don't know, I guess I would say always relatable but not always sympathetic. You always related to characters even if you didn't necessarily like it with with Yvonne or Andre you might find them annoying at times. But you also totally got why they were that way. It's it's wasn't unfounded. It wasn't shallow or poor writing. A lot of their feelings were justified. And you felt that in the father was not one note, he was very nuanced. And like you said that we barely get to know anything about him. But the things we get to know about him are complex. They are they allude to a man who is more than we really see and is multifaceted. So yeah, I was sucked in. It was really only like I said, the ending that I was frustrated with, but I didn't think it was bad. It's not like Oh, man, this this scene totally ruined the movie for me in the sense of is a terrible movie now. I just wish it had gone a different way. Yeah, great film. Sorry, great movie, just totally check it out. Because you, you do that all the time. You always correct yourself from film to movie. So I gotta you know, I couldn't I couldn't convey my thoughts any better than Shawn did just now I agree with him in every regard, except that I think that the ending is perfectly fine the way it is. If you are going to check it out, which I also highly recommend, maybe maybe listen to my instructions a little more closely than Shawn did. I definitely provided them in the prior episode. And I definitely provided them in the last five minutes. So if you don't want to pay that 299 and just want to sign up for that free seven day trial, then immediately Cancel after mentioned seven day trial afterwards, go ahead and do it. You're gonna get a free movie out of this one after your 100 whatever dollars you pay for Amazon Prime yearly, and it will be more than worth it. You know what I thought about? I thought, you know, I'm definitely the only person who has spent money on this movie. In the past week. There's definitely not a single person who looked up the return from 2003 a Russian movie and paid for it as a rent on Amazon. Nobody else listeners, if if I'm wrong, if people are renting this movie out over the wazoo, and I have no idea please let me know correct me. But I'd be shocked. What's your rating? Shawn? My rating is drumroll please test it out and give it an eight. Oh, yeah. Wow. Same rating as Scooby Doo eight out of 10 Wow, wow. Wow. Okay, going on there. Let's what's, what are we watching next time? Let's just get this over with. Well, Giannis told me I had wo choices in my mind for what we could watch next week. I thou ht should I pick the movie with he negligent father who goes o a road trip with his child is j st very irresponsible in he hallway, or should I go with he movie? Sorry, should I go w th the film or the character is trapped on an island and has to work together with somebody e se in order to get off set Isl nd also involving a dead body. nd I thought, you know Yani mi ht like the first one which is three fugitives. I think ou might also hate it. It's a w ld card and I really want to do it later. But I asked Johnny bef re this podcast which half of he movie to do like more the fi st half of the second half. He s id the second half air ago, he getting off an island wit a corpse and I said Gianni in a while we're watching. We're watching Swiss Army Man with Daniel Radcliffe forwa d and smarting are wandering the farting corpse movie or watching the foreign corpse movie. Okay, all right, you prepare yourself get get ready for it. Hey guys, actually, I changed it to three fugitives right after this. So we lost three fugitives next week. Yeah. All right Yani well, as usual. Go fuck yourself and, and I just want you to know yourself too. I mean it from the bottom of my heart. fucky Sean Wow.