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Hello this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast before we get started please make sure to like follow subscribe, write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram all those are linked in the description. Enjoy the Episode Hello folks and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast with yours truly Sean and my co host Jani Yami. Palmer Scotto here Janya didn't introduce I mean, I semi introduce you but you gotta give me time. You know, don't say hello yet. Yeah, Johnny. I'm Jani. That's who I am. Okay, whatever. We're down someone else here though. There's a third person here who we have a special guest on today. We have a crystal Porto with us from the fans perspective. Chris, how you doing today? Great. Thank you guys so much for having me on. I'm super excited. I'm looking forward to this since we first connected and yeah, I'm really really thankful to you guys for allowing me to be on Yeah, more thankful to have you like it. It's kind of funny. Like this has been a long running kind of like trying to get you on. Just because like every week Something came up like we're going to record last week. And then all of a sudden I got really sick. And it's just like, great. Like, do I have COVID am I gonna die? But you know, it was okay, everything's fine. And now we're going to talk about a movie Chris chose so Chris what which movie did you choose for us today? So I chose Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justice. The Ultimate Edition. Okay, perfect. And we stressed Ultimate Edition just because that's what's on HBO max right now. I don't know why they only have the Ultimate Edition. But not the regular one. Both of them are on there. Or they're both on there. I could have sworn they're both I saw them both on there at some point about like a month ago. Maybe I'm an idiot. I won't know you are an idiot already. But this is like totally separate from that. Oh, right. Anyways, so longtime listeners or first time listeners whoever you are. What we usually like to do with starting our episode is do a yogi green tea quote to kind of like calm everyone's nerve disc you know get a because I drink Yogi green tea during these episodes. I just want everyone to feel relaxed. I want everyone to feel good about themselves. You know? Especially Chris not Yeah, not so much Jani. Yeah, Chris. I want you to feel relaxed. I want you to feel comfortable. Jani you can go fuck yourself. Anyway, john, I just want to let you know that putting a tea bag and a glass of whiskey does not make it tea. I didn't play these. If they got put in a tea bag and a glass of whiskey. It's separate. Okay, I got my whiskey class. I got my tea class. I don't combo them. What the fuck is wrong with you? You anyways drunk Shut the fuck up anyways. Yogi green tea quote. Actually, this is just sign now there's not green tea. This is the stomach ache tea. So So Yogi, but you know just making me feel good. Good stuff anyways, speak to make yourself happy. Don't speak to impress others. So Yani don't speak to impress Chris today. That's my job. Okay. You just, you know, stay on your stupid show, as usual. Sometimes, you know, often pretty often I just speak and it makes happy that I came out one. No, no, don't keep it in. Shawn. pretty often I speak and it makes me happy. It's, you know, it's through. No, no fault of my own. If everything that I say is constantly pleasing to everyone's ears. So Well, I'll tell you why. I'm relaxed already. Perfect. You know, I'm glad it's working already, Chris, and I just want you to know, whatever, whatever and we end up on I want you to prefer me by the end of this episode. I know. I know. That's what's gonna inevitably happen. But I just want you to know that's, that's my main goal. Anyways, listeners. Normally what we'll do is we'll break down the movie or film, we'll give our plot summary. We'll say our three most favorite three least favorite scenes, etc, etc. Because this is a real big expansive movie with a lot going on. And then we have three people on the line today. What I wanted to do was just kind of actually just run through the movie and just talk about different aspects of it. So we'll talk about Batman we'll talk about Superman. Talk about Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
Chris:Ah
Sean:Janya yelling right now.
Giannis:Yeah, I was getting a new chair and I heard Wonder Woman in my earphones and I had to scream. Yeah. So one one sound of that of that name causes me intestinal pain. Wow.
Chris:That's a bold statement. I'm curious to know why.
Sean:Yeah. Why do you Why do you hate Galaga? Dell? Why do you hate wonder one so much, Johnny?
Giannis:Well, you know, it's pretty simple. I'm a, I'm a massage dentist, I hate all we do it.
Sean:That's gonna be the audio clip. And we're going to end with that. Okay. Before we get started, I'm just curious general thoughts. Chris, where do you stand on this movie?
Chris:So I stand, I would say in between, but maybe a little more towards liking it. You know, I have my kind of my thoughts on what Zack Snyder was trying to do with the dceu overall, starting with Man of Steel, and what he what he tried to do with Batman versus Superman, but it just didn't translate. Well. I mean, there's it's very fluid, but I see what he was trying to do, like I said, so I tend to be a little more, I guess, easy with it. And there are things that I like about it, that things that I don't and it but at the end of the day, I've seen it a few times, you know, I'm sure I'll watch it a few times more. But I'll always have the sense of what could have been
Sean:with this movie Jani. What I want to know is Chris is in the middle with this movie. He has some likes. He has some dislikes. Jani based off of your absolute disdain for Wonder Woman, I need to stress you hate Wonder Woman for some reason. For where do you Where do you Where do you Where do you fall on this movie? Sorry, film. Where do you find this film?
Giannis:I don't disagree with that statement. This is a film. I actually enjoy this film. I am I am enjoying it. We've got Why Why?
Sean:Why?
Giannis:Yeah, no, if we have dislike oh my god and and like on the on the other and then you've got like in the middle in, you know, pitilessly in the middle that I'm leaning a little more towards like, however, I am speaking specifically about Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justice, Ultimate Edition and not just Batman v Superman. Dawn of Justice theatrical addition.
Sean:Okay. Interesting. Interesting take.
Chris:And I agree with that, because I think the Ultimate Edition, edited documents it well, it is ultimate, but it added in the scenes that obviously we're taking out of theatrical and when I saw the Ultimate Edition, which I think I didn't notice both versions being on HBO Max, but I have the blu ray. And when I bought a blu ray, you can only buy the Ultimate Edition. And when I watched it, I was like, why didn't they just do this to begin with? Because now the movie makes a little bit more sense.
Sean:Yeah. Chris, what what do you feel like was the best addition for the ultimate addition? Like that really helped the film overall,
Chris:I think expanding on the scene in the desert with I guess they were the henchmen for Lex Luthor when they frame Superman. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that helped it along greatly. So that was probably the biggest thing because that that was the problem for me at first was just the convoluted story. And it's not smooth storytelling at all. But with a scene like that editing. I was like, Okay, now I kind of get it a little bit more. Yeah. So I would pick out one.
Sean:I thought that was pretty good. Jani, I would say same question for you. But I don't care. Let's let's get into this. All right. So first and foremost, let's talk about Batman. What are thoughts on Batman for this movie, Chris?
Chris:Well, Batman is my favorite superhero. period if a super hot
Sean:Yeah. What did you feel about his depiction in this movie versus other ones? Like did did you like it more? Or did you like it less?
Chris:I liked it. I actually thought that Ben Affleck did a decent job. I know. When he was announced as playing Batman. We were all like, Oh, God. But uh, I thought he he did it very well. Like he kept it grounded. At the same time. It felt like Batman to me. I would probably say that maybe he was a little bit better than Christian Bale only because Christian Bale did too much in the voice and overacted and Ben Affleck didn't do that.
Sean:I can't Yeah, I can't take it seriously anymore. You know, I always just laugh whenever I hear.
Chris:Yeah. And I liked the kind of portrayal of him being you know, a little bit older and the scene when he's working out and you know, just preparing himself for his battle with Superman. You know, you felt like he was just jacked. Yeah, he was getting jacked. Yeah. But he you felt like, you know, he you felt his age. And I kind of dug it.
Sean:And I like also I like that we felt his age also emotionally too, like he is worn down.
Giannis:He is. He's suffered. He's already suffered the loss of Robin. You see that? I think it I don't know which Robin it was it probably wasn't. Dick Grayson. Was it. But that's already happened, whatever it is. Joker's already killed Robin. Yeah, he's he's become a little Jason Todd. Yes, probably by the by the beginning of the story become extremely jaded. And you sense that in the way that he's branding his criminals now, after he, after he arrests them.
Sean:That's why I want to talk about that real quick. How long has Batman been Batman in this universe? And why the Superman just first find out about him? That kind of struck me as a little weird.
Chris:Definitely. As I was watching it again, you know, preparing for today. I definitely had the same thought because it seemed like he's been around forever in some cases. And then in other cases, not long enough. So it was a little confusing.
Sean:But yeah, like I agree with you guys. I really dug this version of Batman. That was super interesting. But one thing that I was wondering about with the Ben Affleck casting of it and tell me if you guys agree with this theory or not, I think because this is him coming after after winning the Oscar for Argo. Right. Yeah. I think that he just has such a chip on his shoulder over Daredevil that he's like, I got to redeem myself Batman. That's a surefire way to do it, you know.
Giannis:And then when that failed, he played an alcoholic basketball coach.
Sean:Uh huh. And when that failed, we got COVID.
Giannis:It's all I think you've you need to take this to the government. Sean, they need to know are the the survival of our race hinges on Ben Affleck's self image?
Sean:How How exactly.
Giannis:You just explained it. You just explained it right there.
Sean:Yeah, I explained it.
Giannis:But there was a correlation. You have Daredevil, then you have batfleck. And then batfleck disappears, and suddenly COVID comes? I mean, I don't have to be some sort of math wizard to
Sean:but then how is this gonna solve COVID? You know, you're gonna bring us all together.
Giannis:We need to remake Daredevil. That's how they're huge.
Sean:At that stage
Giannis:in American history. There was a an enormous fracturing of the culture, and it all stemmed from Derek.
Chris:Oh, my. But we but we have
Sean:a dead devil now. That that's why we have all the problems in this country right now. Yeah, Ben Affleck's there.
Chris:I can't think of a better explanation. Yeah,
Sean:I also just want to talk real quick about Batman's fight scene. Later on in the movie when he's taken out all the goons was that so fucking badass? I love that action scenes so much. It's
Chris:so good.
Giannis:I don't know if there's anything that you can for anybody that any Zack Snyder naysayers who say that his movies are trash. You have to give him credit when it comes to his action scenes. The man knows how to direct some action hidden guys even in
Sean:his garden aid. So good.
Giannis:No way he just like I don't know just bashes that guy's head into the ground and it makes contact with the floor as his feet fly up.
Chris:Yeah, just crazy. brutal.
Sean:It's so good. It's so good.
Chris:It's definitely the best scene of the movie. I would say now.
Sean:Yeah, no, I agree. It's the one that stuck with me that when people went, Oh, man, this film is so crap. I'm like, but that was such a good Batman. See? That was so good. I
Giannis:would I haven't gotten to say my thoughts on Batman.
Sean:Yeah, what are your thoughts on Batman? Jani?
Giannis:I know spark but there's something that we're not talking about. And that's that Bruce Wayne is the major character moment for him in this film is entirely focused not around his father's death. But his mother's mother's i think that's that's an interesting take on the Batman story is that it's a little more focused on the parents influence on him as as a unit instead of individually, just the father's whereas beforehand and Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy, it was really just Thomas Wayne, who had any sort of influence on Bruce's development and choices in life. And, you know, I can't really speak that much to the animated Batman series, which was like the really big iteration that came before this aside, of course, from Tim Burton's, and I don't remember like any of the parents from the Tim Burton or I mean, if we want to compare it to say Adam West Batman.
Sean:I mean, I would say Adam West Batman, the test, it's so heavily influenced on the brutal sleep and murder of both his parents you know, like, that's just it's such a dark and twisted fucking take. And I thought someone would cut me off at this point. No like you guys just let me
Chris:keep going.
Unknown:I have nothing.
Giannis:price you pay for trying to say something? Yeah, keep keep on going with whatever you're talking about Keep your mouth shut. Okay, Sean?
Sean:Sure I'll duct tape it shot.
Giannis:Well, no, I mean, that's basically all, you know, a character's influences. Whenever we're talking about character in a film or character in anything really, I think it's important that whoever is absorbing the media sees within its characters, a multifaceted pneus that they see within themselves. And that was always something that kind of bugged me about Batman was that, despite losing both of his parents, he fixated more on the loss of his father and the mother napkin Top Gun consequence of the fact no one cares about Top Gun Sean.
Sean:Oh, fuck you moving on.
Giannis:And for to infer that just just one name for his mother's name to play such an integral part in the plot, just the coincidence of Batman and Superman, Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent, having mothers with the same names was very unique to me. It was very powerful. And it kind of irritates me that it was so heavily marked on the Internet at the time of the original movies release.
Chris:I think it was marked only because it kind of, at least to me, at first kind of felt out of place. And for that to be you know, after that moment, where he's like, you know, Steve, Martha, you know, why did you say that name and then their conflict is immediately over after that. So it just felt like really? That's it like that's that's how I felt when I saw it for the first time. And even we rewatching it, it was just like, like they didn't they stopped hating each other very quickly. On crisis side. fucky Jani
Giannis:the fight could have gone on longer. Yeah. Or at least that could have been resolved. But I think that what is to be distinguished with the Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justice Ultimate Edition is that you do get more of the the parents influence on on Bruce Wayne, in this edition, I think there are a couple scenes or a couple of pieces of dialogue that really explore more of the grief, he was suffering afterwards. And even up until that day, and the profound effect it had on him as an individual is in fact I you see that with with all of the main characters, not just Well, let's just throw Wonder Woman away because she doesn't matter in this mill. And
Sean:I agree
Giannis:and still fuck you both with both Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne, and also Lex Luthor, you see that you see the effect their upbringing had on the people they become by the events of the film.
Sean:I mean, I want Chris, I want you to finish up your point. But I just want to say real quick that the thing that kind of bothered me Yeah, they add more backstory for you know, Bruce Wayne kind of remainings telling stories. I really wish there was a flashback to him. And Martha, like young Bruce and Martha specifically, just because, yeah, we got a little bit more, but it still feels particularly because Superman has so many scenes with his Martha, that it just feels weird to kind of compare the two when Batman doesn't have nearly in the same amount. You know
Chris:what I agree with the with your point there, especially that they cast it. Maureen Cohen, who is you know, people know who she is from The Walking Dead. And to catch someone that's kind of high profile in a role that she's in for five seconds. It's It's It's an interesting choice. And I think they definitely could have benefited more from it from showing that, like you said, you know, giving us a flashback and showing that interaction a little bit more.
Sean:Do you think there was more? I didn't I didn't time out. Do you think we had more screen time of the actress or the pearls around her neck?
Chris:pearls around her neck? I think felt that way.
Sean:Yeah, I mean, with the slow motion and everything. You know, that's how I remember Martha. Good old Martha's pearls.
Giannis:I don't disagree. You know what? I don't disagree. I'm just saying it's a lot better than the original theatrical. I agree. It could have benefited substantially from actually showing that relationship. Yeah, between him and his mother. Otherwise, it's just like implied it's filial piety. Of course you love your parents.
Sean:All right, cool. Okay, soups. What are we thinking about soups?
Chris:So
Giannis:you know, I'd say my favorites probably in a tank. Hey,
Sean:shut the fuck up. Jani. I don't care. I see what you're saying.
Chris:If you only want to go first that by all means. No, I
Giannis:just don't. I just wanted to. I just wanted to do that. One thing you can go Chris. You're the You're the star here.
Chris:All right? Oh, yeah,
Sean:Jani, you're never you're like the, it's not that you're like not a star. I is about to say that you're not a black hole, you're not black hole. I don't want to give you that kind of credit. You're like, you're also not a meteor like, what's a space object? That's the equivalent of like, just a fart, you know, like just the turn your turn in the wind, you
Giannis:know, a nebula, you know, it could just be a nebula of gas and dust. Sure,
Sean:let's go with that.
Giannis:But it's also enormous. It's daunting. It's imposing, what is the distance that you fear for your life for God dammit,
Sean:you're just something that sucks. I don't know. I don't know my astronomy. But you're like Justice League. That's what you are.
Giannis:Don't you dare Don't you dare put me on the same pedestal as Justice League.
Sean:I apologize. I apologize. You're below Justice League. You're not the same.
Giannis:Honestly, at least I don't have to look either. I with justice. At least I don't have to look Justice League in the face. And pretend I can I can hold my lunch. All the way really looking forward to the Snyder cut with that I
Sean:read too much after watching this. I'm like, oh my god. Anyways, Chris Superman, Superman. So it's a Superman.
Chris:So first off, I think Henry Cavill is the perfect choice for Superman. I think that with better material, he would probably be better in the world. But I think overall, what they did with Superman here, as I mentioned before, that I kind of got what Zack Snyder was trying to tell. And I think his overarching story, which started with Man of Steel continued here and would have concluded with two Justice League films. I think he was trying to tell us a different perspective on what it's like to be the most powerful being on the planet. And how do you deal with that? How do you determine what kind of person you want to be? Much like Kevin Costner's Jonathan Ken said to him, he's like, you know, you have to decide what man you want to be. Because that man is going to change the world. And I just felt like he was lost in figuring out how to deal with being a person who can do whatever he wants to do. And that man is still first you know, it started that and Batman or Superman continued with the, okay, here's here's a guy who saved the planet from Zod. And he's still shouldering the blame and the responsibilities the whole reason why Batman wants to kill him. And he's being taken to Congress in a question and holding him responsible when all he really did was stopped another guy from destroying everyone. And he's like, you know, continuing to question how do I continue to be a being amongst all of these people who are in reality lesser than he is? and continue to try to show them hey, I'm actually a good guy here. What more do I need to do? Yeah,
Sean:yeah, yeah. What are you what are your thoughts on? cB? cB boy? Oh, God,
Giannis:um, yeah, I've I've never really had that much of an issue with Henry Cavill Superman. In fact, I kind of enjoy man a steal. I think it also gets a lot of grief, undeserving Gregory.
Sean:I don't know steel. But I also haven't seen it since it was in theaters, so I can't talk to it. I think
Giannis:what I like about what I like about Superman and maybe this might just be art imitating life is that they actually had him a cat. They actually not just the the characters in the film, but also the filmmaker. So they decided to have him accountable for the actions in the in Man of Steel. And I'm not entirely sure if that was a result of all of the I, I'll just say public outcry from fans who noticed that, hey, this battle with Zod kind of destroyed New York and killed a lot of people.
Sean:I made a video about that. I don't Oh, well.
Giannis:That's right. I you showed me that it was awful. I don't know why it was like five minutes and I sat through the whole thing.
Sean:I had this big friend play the Superman character and he's just kind of act for shit. But you know, that's college for you, baby. Anyway, yeah. But no, I
Giannis:think I think that was interesting to see the way see the way that reality affected the outcome of the of this story. To see how Superman was it was actually it seemed impossible that people would ever question Superman's intentions and his abilities, but the film went ahead and questioned it. It brought a different light. And it did Yeah, no, you you never never see superhero films doing that. It's very seldom. I mean, watchmen is another good example of a film that did that that question The the extent an individual's power should should reach but I think here it's a lot more. It's a lot more clean cut especially when you have as a foil to it. Batman Bruce Wayne's disagreement argument altercation with him and then in the middle of them kind of firing or stoking the flames from Lex Luthor, and then Wonder Woman's just like kind of off in her tent at the very edge of the fairground just waiting for that music to turn on before she shows up and does anything interesting.
Sean:Thanks.
Chris:I have a question for you guys to pick your brain about about this because does it enrage? Well, maybe it rages too strong the word. But the way you described it Jani is is you know, it's definitely interesting to question Superman because Superman is always supposed to be you know, fist on your hips stands for truth and justice, you know, the ultimate ultimate good guy, and they're questioning his motives, but doesn't bother you guys, because I know that it bothers me when we watch, you know, this movie. And they exploited in Captain America Civil War, where they're, they're holding the people who saved the planet responsible. And it like in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, I get that they're doing it really, because they're afraid of these people. They're afraid of Superman and what he can do and the fact that he can do anything. But on the other hand, don't they realize that if he decided not to do anything, that Zod would have killed them all anyway, so he stops on from doing that. But I feel like they are short sighted of that because of their their fear of Superman. So they just want to be like, well, we're holding you responsible. Does that bother anybody else?
Sean:It doesn't bother me It did. I was watching this with my roommate. And he felt the exact same way. The thing is like, I think it works. It doesn't work as well in Captain America Civil War, just because I feel like those movies are much more clean cut, and they're much more you know, good guys bad guys where there is surgical. Yeah, and this film exists in a much grayer world. It's not that it's necessarily like super realistic. But it's a world that where these questions can come up. And I like to be honest with you. That question of blaming Superman, and all that kind of stuff, was one of my favorite aspects about this movie. I thought it was super strong. And I remember liking it when it first came out. But I don't want to get into a ton right now. But the boys has since come out since then. And they kind of offers a counter example to Superman. So home lander who has all the superpowers of Superman, essentially, but is just a total psychopath. And then that makes me go Oh, yeah, I can totally understand why people would go. Oh my God, this motherfucker we are We can't let this guy just do whatever. Because I mean, it's like what that Suicide Squad trailer that kill the Justice League, the that new game, or just like you just get some mind control on that guy and you're fucked. You're gonna die. You know, he's gonna kill everybody, like a snap of a finger. So Mike, yeah, I can totally understand. And I think that's a very interesting question. But also a question that the no Superman movie too. I mean, just most movies don't really want to explore that I think is actually really fucking interesting. But Eonni What do you think?
Giannis:I think honestly, that's a reflection of human nature. If you you give somebody something and they ask, Well, why didn't I get something else? I see what he has, why don't I have that it looks nicer than the one I've got. You can extrapolate all the way that all the way to the bank with, you know, you saved our lives, but you also destroyed a city and 1000s of people died instead of millions. But people like to forget that millions would have fallen had he not stepped in? Why didn't you give us that instead? It's it's this. It's kind of the sad portrait of how human beings can ultimately make the wrong decisions invest their time and efforts in the in the wrong causes. If they are misinformed or emotionally compromised, which, you know, after what you know, equates to a massacre in a city and billions if not trillions of dollars in damage. I'd bet people would be pretty emotional and pretty easy to manipulate, which is exactly what the antagonists did. He didn't just manipulate to men. He manipulated an entire world.
Sean:And also like to speak to it really briefly the opening with Batman. That's the ending of Man of Steel from his perspective of the city being destroyed. Yeah, phenomenal scene. Loved it. That was great.
Giannis:Yeah, love it.
Chris:It was it was awesome.
Giannis:One problem though. What Why did he have to call His building supervisor to tell him to get out of the building.
Sean:Yeah, that was kind of stupid. That's something we're not getting asked me.
Giannis:You see, these two super beings are just crashing haphazardly into all the surrounding sky scrapers and you don't think maybe it's a good idea. evacuated.
Sean:We're safe here guys.
Giannis:We're good. Keep working. We are earning Mr. Wayne's money.
Sean:Let's just help you like invested in like a real strong building Let's just hope you didn't do cheap air on this building.
Giannis:Well, let's just hope the building supervisor or whatever he was had good life insurance because his family definitely needed it.
Sean:Yeah, cool. Any other thoughts on Superman in this movie, guys? Nope. Oh, Chris doesn't have anything. I don't care what you have to say Jani. So
Giannis:moving on how Henry Cavill can't hold his arms by his side from how large his biceps are. That's always hilarious to me seeing him in anything these days whether it's this mission impossible, just seeing how he his arms just kind of like, hover out as if he's about to bend his elbows back. It's kind of funny to me. It's like a little easter egg.
Sean:Moving on to Lex Luthor, aka future Jani. What are we what do we think about future Jani? I mean, the Lex Luthor take that as a compliment.
Chris:That what shouldn't in my notes here. When I have things I like things I didn't like and one of the things that I didn't like is Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, I felt that he was just trying to show us that he was crazy. And to me Lex Luthor is I get the whole you know, he manipulated to guys you manipulate the world and that's, you know, that's who Lex Luthor is. But Lex Luthor is also a lot more cunning than that and looking at the alternate casting for that name for Superman is that it was originally going to be Bryan Cranston, and I thought, Man, what a mess that was, because I think he would have done all of that but much more grounded and would have shown us that Lex Luthor is this. You know, this criminal mastermind genius. And I think Jesse Eisenberg wanted us to watch him and think that he was a crazy person instead. I don't know if that makes sense. But that's just how like I saw it.
Sean:Like I was saying, I got were saying, Jani. I don't know about you, but I think Bryan Cranston, one of the top five worst actors working today, so I don't know if I agree with Chris on that one. What do you think about that?
Giannis:You're a madman, you need to stop someone needs to lock you up. Just like our boy Lexi Lou.
Sean:I'm kidding. Bryan Cranston, you're great. You're great. We're on a what?
Giannis:It would have been weird for the character, especially given that it I imagine they would have written the character differently. But given that lex luthers motivations and backstory in this film kind of indicate him as the young adult who's grown up as a product of child abuse.
Sean:I don't exactly know what his dad did to him. You get the sense that like there was some All right, I think if we go back to the episode, the return, so Episode 14 of this podcast, I would assume that's what the father did to him. In a beat mo he
Giannis:says he specifically uses the word abominations. At one point, he said he talks about his father's abominations, which leads me to believe that there could have been something worse. I don't know exactly what I can't speak to it. But you know that he is he is the way he is as the direct result of his his parents, parent, plural, singular, possessive behavior. And I believe this is more more than anything. This is an origin story for one of the greater villains in the DC Universe, Lex Luthor than it is a story for anyone else. And I'm pretty sure Following this, if Jesse Eisenberg shows up in subsequent DC films, you're going to see him take on more of that, where were more of that cutting mastermind mantle than in here. I think what this film was about was more of the slow denigration of his of his humanity, the surrendering to his trauma than anything.
Chris:And hearing you describe it that way. I know that makes total sense. So you might have convinced me,
Sean:that's what he does, Chris. That's what he does. He takes he takes things that are not there. And then held the storage sounds like it's brilliant. When you go Wait, no, I watched that movie. That's not what happened you fucking wire.
Giannis:So it was not there in the theatrical version, but it's definitely present. It is far more present. Batman vs Superman Dawn of Justice.
Sean:I like Lex Luthor, I thought he was a good villain. I just hate you Jani. I'm specifically criticizing you. I just want to warn you correction shithole that fast in your opinion.
Giannis:Don't let Jani persuade you is that I didn't like him in the original and I did like him in Dawn of Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justice Ultimate Edition.
Sean:Thank you for saying the whole title. Anyways, I like left. I like left.
Chris:I like loose door.
Sean:Anyways, I liked Lex Luthor, too. I that was a good villain. don't really have anything to add beyond those. So let's move on to wonder woman. She was there. Now let's move on to Doomsday.
Chris:Wait, let's go back. Go back.
Sean:Yes,
Chris:I need to know what your opinions are here because Alright, so I had I loved one woman. Let's just start with that. I thought that
Sean:a character The movie will I want to specify
Chris:both. I thought that her introduction into the into Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justice. The theatrical and the Ultimate Edition is one of the best parts of the film. What I do hate is that they spoiled it in the trailer. So yeah, that that that was just a mistake. But I thought her part was was really well done. I think Alcatel is a great Wonder Woman, I said that she portrays everything that Wonder Woman is supposed to be. And I've loved her introduction into this movie. But yeah. With that said, I am really, really curious to hear your thoughts.
Sean:Now God.
Giannis:So I'm not a couple thing, things moving my way from just acting into narrative. She's a better actress in Wonder Woman than she is in this film. I think you'd
Sean:even think she was a good actress and Wonder Woman
Giannis:a shout out or something that sounds somehow worse. In my God, they hadn't, they had not figured out her character. At the time. I don't think they had quite figured it out. They don't think they'd worked out all the kinks of it yet. And so a lot of her line readings come off as just that they don't really feel natural to her performance. In terms of her function within the plot. Ultimately, she functions I believe, to inspire Bruce Wayne to an extent and that's great, but simultaneously it's a little bit hard to ignore the fact just from the title of the film, Batman vs Superman Dawn of Justice that she is a foreshadowing of things to come she's just kind of a seed planted in there to tell the viewer Hey guys guess what we're bringing out Wonder Woman guess what else we
Sean:Dawn of Justice?
Giannis:Yep, it's the Dawn of Justice. We're going to read some dawn here sun up and it's going to just shower you all with this justice all this Cyborg and, and speedy boy, whatever his name is. Oh, the flash. I just want to waterboy
Sean:No, no, I want to say something real quick. It just takes me out so hard when Batman is looking through the like clips of everybody. I'm like, who designed all these graphics for every person. Right?
Giannis:Right.
Sean:Yeah, I would have to imagine hypothetically, because this is from Lex Luthor server, right? Because they both got it from there. So Lex Luthor had a commission that that he like, just commissioned one it was low level employees. Hey, I need a lightning bolt for a picture. Like what am I doing this for? Just fucking do it? Can
Giannis:you put it in a red.to
Sean:exist? Yeah,
Giannis:that'd be great. It's really cool from office space. And then finally, she shows up and she she does something in the fight but not a lot. You know, it's more it's she's kind of just there to to step in for Batman because they're fighting Doomsday and more than anything else. Because Batman's kind of useless. I mean, he has like a kryptonite bomb that he throws a crypt at Doomsday and adding slightly incapacitates the guy but it's just it's a little seanie. To me, she's not worked into the plot as neatly as she could have been if I had like, one major. Well, if if I had to state like one of my three or four major issues with the film, that's one of them. That's where it kind of bends to that Expanded Universe requirement.
Sean:All right, I cannot, cannot cannot cannot believe I am saying this. So there's the first time for everything. Oh, I'm leaning on Jani side. I am. I absolutely love the wonder woman movie. But she is it's just she's just kind of shoehorned in here. I still Like a wonder woman as a character, there were aspects of like that scene in the museum or actually at Lex Luthor benefits scene. I liked her there. I liked her basically, when she is, you know, just a regular person. I just didn't like when she comes in at the end in the finale, and the quote unquote, Donald justice shit by like, Oh, this is alum, Alexander sword. And then Batman is just like, Oh, no, that's fake. I really like that scene. So there are things that I really liked about galgos performance and Wonder Woman here is just when she comes in at the end, and they're both like, Oh, I thought she was with you. I'm like, Batman, you knew she was with you. You've been talking to her the whole movie. Superman has had no interaction with her. What the fuck are you high on you? Oh, yeah, it's
Chris:a good point. I just think that that all of that is a victim of just the story itself not being transitioned smoothly. Yeah,
Sean:yeah. So totally, totally agree. All right. Let's move on to I mean, let's be honest, without a doubt, the best aspect of this movie, hands down. No question about that one at all. Doomsday. As all star cast, by the way,
Chris:I was trying to figure out if that was sarcasm.
Sean:I hated Doomsday. All right. Who wants to step in for us? What do we think about Doomsday?
Giannis:Doomsday was always a weak villain. In the original, he was weaker. In this version, he is a little bit less weak because you one see a little bit more of him, too. They kind of show you how his powers function. I particularly like how you slowly see how the viewer can slowly glean that he doesn't have full control over that when I don't know whatever you call it, electrical that pulse that he emits. And as he's fired with more radiation or firepower, it just intensifies to the point where he begins to mutate. That's cool. But again, this is just like, you know, it's like it's like King he's just like King Kong on steroids. He's, he's powerful. He is a menace. But we really don't have any sort of he's just a thug. He's just Lex Luthor is thug. And a little bit annoying, but the summer you know, like, going back to like Zack Snyder being pretty good at choreographing action. And while not choreographing but filming action, filming fights, I think with how weak of a quote unquote villain Doomsday is, it's that part of the film, that last battle is still relatively entertaining.
Sean:Yeah, I think what just annoys me so much is that everything before is so interesting. And the film is dealing with a lot of unique and thought provoking topics. So then it'd be like, Oh, well, we gotta just have something that a beat up at the end. Let's do that. It's just like, really? This could have been way better, and we're just gonna resort to this shit. All right.
Giannis:Well, I'm wondering actually, now, if, if sacrificing and Chris I know you're gonna be upset with me about this, but sacrificing Wonder Woman from that segment of the film, and instead focusing on like Superman and Batman cooperating in defeating him. might have been cset more satisfying
Sean:Wonder Woman as soon as she's entered, dude. Oh, no,
Giannis:not even like if Wonder Woman weren't in the film at all. And it was just about those two. And you you work up to them battling together to defeat Doomsday in the end. I feel like that would have been a little more satisfying to me.
Sean:Yeah, like Batman is the greatest detective he's a super smart guy. You think he'd bring some of his smarts to the end fight you know?
Giannis:And if he doesn't really he just kind of hides most the time but i think
Chris:i think i think i could have I could be on board with that. Like you know, I say I loved Wonder Woman's introduction. I think that's just more of the like the fanboy side of me like being a comic lover and like oh my god it's wonder woman like you know and I definitely liked how she you know crashes down in blocks his his beam you know from killing Batman and you know, she's helping them fight him but I do you know, see the point you making that if she wasn't in it at all, and it was Batman now teaming with Superman to try to beat this monster because it didn't really feel like Doomsday to me. It would have added to the story into the to the movie itself, but Doomsday just didn't feel like Doomsday to me. This is not how you Chris
Sean:Why not?
Giannis:I think we're about Shawn and I think are both a little Doomsday comic book illiterate here a copy a letter a year letter. What is doomed stays characters supposed to be like?
Chris:Well, I mean, I think just the the way that it was created and you know, he's not Doomsday wasn't created from General Zod. He's, you know, just his own being that was captured and you He was held captive, he breaks out of his prison. And the reason why Superman is trying to stop him is because he's rampaging through all you know, through the planet, basically. So and in the movie, they use General zaanse body of mixed with likes with his blood to create them, you know, you saw the scene there, but it's not really and I'm not opposed to changing things up. But I definitely felt like this was just a monster for them to fight instead of actually being Doomsday
Sean:Chris saddening that I'm wondering, do you feel like there would have been a better villain that could have posed better competition for both Batman and Superman, at the same time that they would have had to have equally fought against? Because I feel like Doomsday in this movie was just so designed for Superman, and Batman just couldn't contribute at all kind of defeated, they're kind of teaming up by the end. Okay. I almost wish they were, like the.
Chris:And I think, I think if they're going to introduce a character for them both to fight this is probably a good one to start with. But what I will say is that I would, in hindsight, maybe would have preferred to not introduce anybody at all, and just focus on Batman fighting Superman, and then getting to the point where they realize that you know, each of them are good, just in different ways and that they can find a way to work together and maybe just focusing on Lex Luthor being the ultimate antagonist for the movie.
Giannis:Did Lex Luthor ever have like a suit? Was there ever any time that he could put on I don't know, some sort of armor and just like a living crap out of Superman? Really?
Chris:Yes. Yes. He it's like a big, like mech suit. Green looking. I think it's powered by kryptonite a little bit. So he definitely has a weapon that he'd be able to use. So that would have been cool.
Giannis:Because that's Iron Man. Yeah, that's how Iron Man
Sean:I mean, why not though? Cuz. Then you have evil Iron Man. Like that would be so cool. Right now Iron Man.
Giannis:Oba diah he puts on.
Sean:Yeah, we forgot about him.
Giannis:That's Jeff. That's Jeff Bridges. He's great. I love Jeffrey.
Sean:I love Jeff Bridges. He's just, I didn't remember the dude. Well,
Giannis:oh, that Hey, that was a pretty good joke. Right there, Sean.
Sean:Oh, that was? No, I'm gonna take it. I'm so smart guys. I'm really clever.
Giannis:You better knock that out. People need to know that you didn't realize you were doing that.
Sean:No, I'm gonna leave that. Thank you, though. I'm glad that you want everyone to know that I didn't realize how funny I am. Like, I just am just firing on all cylinders. Funny
Giannis:by accident. That's
Sean:what this proves. I mean, that's what the whole podcast proves. But you know, anyways. Anyways, I wrote down themes for the next topic,
Giannis:you know, there's something that I just wanted to, like, hit on again, as you always do. And that's that the theme in this film is is not that there is like, when good is the end goal of someone's actions. It's not fair to cast them in a in a negative light. Because ultimately, you know, it's it's good. It's, it's good for more than just one person. So typically, you know, especially in the world that we're living in right now, I think we have to step back and recognize sometimes that two sides of one coin are still on the same coin. It just depends on who's flipping it. And that's exactly you know, what happened. We both know, Superman's good. We both know Batman is good. But Lex Luthor was in the middle trying to convince them the entire time and that's what I really like about Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justice as Ultimate Edition is that they really show you at how in how fine of a detail, he managed to manipulate both of them particularly in a scene that was cut for the theatrical version where he pays his I don't know what the guy it's not the white Portuguese is Russian guy. He pays he has the Russian guy. The white Portuguese is the boat. That's right. He pays the Russian guy to pay off invade moron, to kill inmates to kill other inmates who have been marked by the Batman brand. And you don't see that you don't see that people are being paid off to kill them in the original theatrical version. You just hear that people who have been branded are dying and you don't know why.
Sean:See, my favorite scene of Lex Luthor is master manipulation. Is that his party? So Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne run into each other? And then he's like, Man, this is a crazy random happenstance. We got Bruce Wayne. We got Clark Kent. How crazy is that?
Chris:That's a good scene.
Sean:And then everyone goes Who the fuck is Clark Kent.
Giannis:And he's he's pulling the strings the entire time. It's like but the one thing he didn't count on On. The one thing he overlooked was their capacity for more humanity. No, that's exactly it. He overlooked it. He probably knew that information
Sean:and should check the birth record.
Giannis:It's you get what I mean, though.
Sean:Now I almost want that scene though, of him like going through their files and seeing like, they're both their moms are named Martha. And there won't be a problem at that job this year. Yeah, that's not gonna bite me in the ass later.
Giannis:He's just like sipping coffee and scanning the page. You just toss it to the side.
Sean:Add that to the Snider cut Zack later. That's what we the fans want?
Giannis:Not the themes, but I do want to say I love the score for this film.
Chris:Yeah, yeah.
Giannis:Oh, yeah. So good, right. It's It's way better than any of the Marvel crap that, Oh, I just don't like the scores that Marvel, Chris. I don't know how you feel about the movies. But the scores to me just seem so generic.
Sean:My film Professor helped on a video essay for this. But basically, what they do is they just, they use 10 tracks from other movies. And they will leave that on during their cuts in their edits. And then when at times comes time for the composer to actually do their score. They more or less to stick to whatever the temp track was on it before. Like, sometimes you'll really notice it, for example, in Guardians of the Galaxy to the beginning scene where they're like defending those, whatever the hell they are, I can't remember. But the score is basically ripped from Mad Max Fury Road. It's so egregious, and like, that's what just Marvel consistently does. I mean, there are some scores. I do like that I listened to, but Oh, on the overall that's what they do, and it just annoys me. But yeah, Chris, Chris, what do you think about these scores? Well, I
Chris:mean, I love movie scores. But I think you're right, like I can't, I enjoyed listening to the Man of Steel one, the Batman for Superman one as well. And the only one I can think of on the Marvel side is Avengers. You know, none of the other ones stick out. So, but I always have a good score.
Sean:All right. I also have because we didn't really talk about it, but it's the big thing of the movie, the fight between Batman vs. Superman. What do you guys think of that?
Giannis:I always wish it would just last longer.
Chris:Yeah, yeah.
Sean:But do you think it's longer? Do you think Batman could have lasted longer?
Chris:I think so. I think I mean, Batman is the ultimate planner, if that makes sense. Like he always goes into a fight knowing what he's going to do. And he prepared himself, you know, he had that kryptonite bomb to weaken Superman so he could hurt him. So I think he definitely could have lasted longer if he wanted to. But it was kind of funny. Watching Superman just toss him around.
Sean:is like, Oh, fuck, man. You're fucked. You're fucked. You know, the
Giannis:first thing I think about whenever that fight scene starts is that when Batman is delivering Superman in and those machine guns go off and begin firing active rounds, live rounds at Superman. I'm a little bit curious why he didn't just make kryptonite bullets. But on the flip side of that one, we know that kryptonite is a pretty rigid, pretty compact element. So maybe it could withstand the explosion used to repel a bullet. But even if it didn't, he had a finite amount of kryptonite. So let's say he did make the bullets was it really worth risking the loss of all of his ammunition? The loss of his his his weapon, his secret weapon?
Sean:Also, how's he going to make bullets?
Giannis:How does he make a spear?
Sean:I know he's filthy rich. You can't just always say, Man, the guy's filthy rich that explains everything that he can do. I
Giannis:mean, you know, like, explains how he makes the spear
Sean:up. Yeah, but that's more believable than bullets. I mean, there's there's a whole process for making a bullet you know,
Giannis:I can buy him making a spear. What I think is it would have it would not have been, it would have been wouldn't have been worth the risk. That's the conclusion I came to.
Sean:I want to pose a question to you guys. If Batman didn't have a kryptonite spear what other kryptonite weapon Do you want to see? Like a kryptonite machete? A kryptonite? Katana sandwich? sandwich. Hey, hey. Hey, Superman, I got a sandwich for ya. Don't worry. It's done. Don't got anything in it. It's just a yummy. ham and cheese.
Giannis:Eat it out a couple of sandwiches in you for the woods
Sean:picnic date. Well you Chris, what would you want to see him a kryptonite with?
Chris:Some kryptonite bad earnings would look pretty cool.
Sean:I think, Dan that'd be pretty good. I'm pretty good. Cool. Yeah, I don't I don't know why I'd go with I. I feel like oh my god. kryptonite cufflinks would be great. man he just wasted that buddy
Giannis:a kryptonite flail or a mace that'd be that would have been a little just bashes Hatton with a big ol spiky ball of kryptonite.
Sean:What about, you know that like shoe knife, you know, like in kingsmen, or that spy sometimes had? I'd like to see that, you know
Giannis:that actually realistically, that wouldn't have been a bad idea. That would be cool. That would have been feasible to you know,
Sean:actually, you know, it'd be cool if he his bat ears if you make those kryptonite, so he had a charge. It's like he just does wear a red cape Superman. It's like, what are you doing, bro? Like, super fast. What do you think you're gonna out? pace me? Funny.
Giannis:Well, maybe I don't know. Maybe Bruce had been working on his 100 yard dash.
Sean:Anyways, moving on. Zack Snyder, what did we think about Zack Snyder's direction for this film? I really like Zack Snyder's direction. I mean, it's something where not to make it too much of a debate between the two. But one of the things that really bothers me about the Marvel movies that I even when the DC movies suck, what I least like about them is that they have a strong direction. You know, like they have a strong idea of what they're going for. Sometimes they take a lot of big swings. There, sometimes big misses, too. But I appreciate them taking the swings more than just kind of like doing the safe, like, easy stuff. So does this film hit every swing? No, but Zack Snyder, like, Zack Snyder has a lot of interesting ideas that he brings to the table. And this is also gone along with the writers to Chris terrio. And David Esquire. Like they bring a lot of interesting ideas to this film, but also just specifically the look of the film. I really love the look of this film. It makes me so sad that just honestly, things looks such they look like such crap these days and big budget blockbusters. And this is a film that reminds me how has depth
Giannis:in the image? Yeah, like,
Sean:I still think Wonder Woman looks a bit better because of how it uses color as opposed to this movie. But just overall, I just love the look Zack Snyder brings to this film. I wish we had more of that these days. What do you guys think?
Giannis:I agree. He always makes a visually impressive movie film, no matter what he's doing. It's it's almost always going to look good. And like I you know, I've been harping on the action actions. His action scenes are almost always impressive for me, no matter what that being said. However, there weren't a lot of issues with character, I think. I didn't see very many characters acting in exaggerated or unbelievable ways. The dialogue for the most part felt pretty organic to whoever was speaking it. You know? Yeah, Jesse Eisenberg. He kind of let Jesse Eisenberg on too long of a lead there. Maybe he should have rained him in just a little bit. And he would have vibed a little bit better with the overall tone of the film. But ultimately, I I'd give him a B plus job. I think he did a B plus job.
Chris:Yeah, I can get behind that. I think he I mean, I appreciate the look of his films, I tend to gravitate more towards what's dark rather than light, which might sound a little morbid, but you know, I like that these films are dark to an extent. His action scenes are always fun to watch. But I just feel like whenever there's a you know, Zack Snyder film attached to a movie, like oh, this is Zack Snyder film. It just always feels like the story itself lacks and it's it's not always a smooth transition from you know, b2b scene to scene and you get that convoluted, messy story. And then we get the Snyder cuts or the directors, the ultimate edition in this case afterwards where it's like, oh, you know, that was better than what we originally got. So I guess I would just like to see a movie from him where we're not looking forward to his Director's Cut version to be better than what he originally gave us.
Giannis:Doesn't that just make you a little a little sick that studios for some reason, prefer an income vision to an imperfect one. Oh, yeah, absolutely what they perceive to be an imperfect one. I mean, yeah, it would have run three hours. But guess what, people they turned out in droves to see. What was it? Infinity War, endgame, whatever that was called. And that was a three hour five minute movie that was over three hours, same last Friday at the same length as this one.
Sean:Yeah, but that they had proven time and time again that people were going to go see that movie, where this one, you know, it had big characters, but it was definitely a much bigger gamble on a much bigger question mark. You're not wrong.
Giannis:You're not wrong, but ultimately what hampered it was it's I mean Bhushan
Sean:Yani with Justice League. Part of the reason for the Snyder cut and bringing Joss Whedon is they specifically had a mandate for Joss Whedon, this movie cannot run over two hours long. So it was like which is right at two hours. So it's, it's gonna be interesting to buy in. I would be interested in seeing Zack Snyder do a TV show for like HBO or something? Because then that way, he can focus on the visuals. And if he gets paired up with a really strong showrunner or writer, I think there could be some real magic True Detective season for Zack Snyder's true, detective. Man,
Giannis:that'd be interesting. I would actually like to, I would like to see that.
Sean:All right, cool. Any other thoughts on Zack Snyder folks,
Chris:I just hope that the Justice League Snyder cut winds up being really good. I mean, I'm looking forward to seeing what it's going to be. And yeah, I wanted Justice League to be good so badly, and it just wasn't. I'm hoping that what we're getting, I think in February, it comes out. I know, it's early next year, but I'm just hoping it's good. I mean, there's a lot in there that is interesting. You know, the black suit Superman and dark side actually being visible in the movie, we're gonna see him. I'm really excited to see what his version of the movie is. And what again, what could have been with Zack Snyder. So
Giannis:I'm really interested to see if it's going to be that four by three aspect ratio that we got in the trailer to I think it
Sean:is I think he had said, that's, that's cool.
Giannis:Yeah, that's gonna be some cool stuff.
Sean:I mean, for me, one of the things that's really telling is how supportive Ben Affleck this for it. Yeah, just because he's, he's also a director. He's supporting a fellow director and saying, you know, I believe in this guy's vision, I believe in this guy's worth work ethic, especially after how berated Ben Affleck was for, I mean, for basically all his Batman performances and movies so far. So for him is still stuck behind him. I think this is very telling of what he believes his film can be. And also because Zack Snyder seemingly doesn't have any constraints right now beyond, its what he had already shot before. So he has to deal with that. But he's going to have more wiggle room and flexibility than arguably any other project he's done before. So this is gonna be really telling, but also just really interesting to see where he goes with it, you know?
Chris:Yeah, I can't wait.
Sean:Yeah. So other thing I wanted to talk about, how do you guys feel like this film in particular compares to the other DC movies? Or at least everything? Post no one.
Chris:What I will say about the DC EU itself is that I think it's improving with each movie. And I think, regardless of what Jani says, I think Wonder Woman was a great start. And I I really also enjoyed Aquaman a lot and I also enjoyed Shazam. So I think that they're, they're improving with their, their vision of what they want their movies to be. Maybe they learned their lesson with the you know, with the other movies, not that I don't hate the other movies, but they're definitely not as good and just leaves you you know, wishing what could have been I think they tried to play catch up with Marvel, and it hurt them. Yeah, but I think now they have they're getting better at division and I can't wait to see what they do with everything that they announced that DC fandom Yeah, you know, blood Black Adam, she's added to all that stuff. I'm looking forward to what they bring in the future.
Sean:How do you feel Chris about the alternate universes they're doing? So essentially, how they have their main DC EU storyline, but then they're doing things like Joker, and Matt Reeves is Batman that have nothing to do with the main storyline bar kind of like extensions, allowing the directors to kind of like explore, how do you feel about that?
Chris:I think it's there's kind of two parts to that. I think all One part, it can be a lot of fun because it can give, I think the Batman that trailer looks amazing. So I think, you know, with that we might get some really good movies telling stories of the same characters, but from different perspectives. However, I on the other side of that when you start introducing the same character with different actors and different stories and say, well, it's just from another universe, I think you risk maybe turning away some audience and and from I can give an example, my girlfriend, you know, when she when we saw Joker, and she was like, well, is this Connect? And I said, No, it's not. And then when I showed her the trail for the baton, and she's like, well, how is this connected? I was like, well, it's not and she's like, kind of got frustrated. She's like, this is all too confusing. Why do we have so many Batman's why there's so many flashes, because you have to flash from the show flash from the movies. You know why there's so many of the same characters. I said, Well, they're running with the multiverse, which for a comic book lover, like me can be a lot of fun and endless possibilities. But from a casual audience, I think it does they take the risk of alienating them a little bit. Yeah,
Giannis:I agree. It's an interesting perspective. I've never thought about it that way. But I think you make a really good point there, Chris.
Sean:You know, one thing I want to go back on real quick because I forgot about it. But I just want to bring it up because a big nitpick of mine. So remember that flashback or flash forward Batman has where Barry kind of comes in and says, Hey, this is the future is what's gonna happen in Justice League. And it's, you know, commando Batman. Yeah, I both really like the the second half of that scene where we basically get the call of Superman. I'm like, Oh, that's super cool. But the Batman fight scene, you basically have like, 20 guys attacking Batman. with guns.
Giannis:He's got a gun.
Chris:He's got a gun. Yeah,
Sean:no, they all have guns. And they all try and get has the bat gun. No, he doesn't have a gun. They he uses their guns. But they all just try and bite him. They all just try to hit him with their guns instead of shooting him. Like, oh, you all have guns? Shoot him? I don't know. I'm interested.
Giannis:I'm interested to see how that that flash flashback forward, whatever you want to call it pays off. Yeah. In the in this in the justice. Like, are
Sean:we still gonna get that?
Giannis:I hope so. Because if not, I'm going to have serious problems with that in this bill. Yeah,
Chris:I think they're going to expand on that in the flesh movie because Ben Affleck and Michael Keaton are both going to be in the flesh movie. So I think we're gonna see that there.
Sean:Yeah, that's gonna be an interesting one. Before we get to the final thoughts, I just have one question for you Chris.
Chris:Sure. How
Sean:do you feel with basically this film and with DC overall? And Marvel? Do you have any preferences? Do you feel like one does like one franchise does something better or worse than the other? And do you have any preferences as to either or
Chris:so preferences as far as a comic books
Sean:are as far as the movies like?
Chris:Well, like because I want to say that I don't prefer one over the other when it comes to like the comic stories. You know, I love both universes. The film's I just think Marvel does it right? No, I don't think DC and Warner Brothers can compare to what Marvel and Disney has been able to do. I just feel like Yeah, not every Marvel movie is perfect. But I feel like even that worst movie is probably better than most of the stuff that DC EU has put out with the exception of like, maybe one or two, but I just don't think they compared to mava. So I mean, to me, Marvel, that whole build up to infinity war was just amazing. And I know a lot of people did not like endgame. I
Sean:like endgame. Oh,
Chris:a lot of people that a lot of people I know personally. Okay, maybe I should, you know, said that first. But a lot of people that I know personally did not like endgame. I think that's more because they were confused with the time travel stuff which can get you know, the more you get into time travel, the more confusing that is. I'll tell him Fuck, why did but I just think, you know, the Marvel's pay off the way that they built their characters, the way they built their stories, movie after movie, they built that anticipation. And when we finally got it, it was like, man, they couldn't have done it any better than that. So I just don't think that DC can compare. So I, which I think the direction that they're taking with the multiverse stuff is probably their best bet. Even though like I mentioned before, I had some concerns about how they're doing it. But yeah, at the end of the day, they just don't compare it to marvel.
Sean:Gotcha, gotcha. All right. Yani Well, I'd ask you, but I don't really care. And I know you don't really follow it. And, yeah, also food for thought maybe next time, because you wanna you have have watched most of them. Why'd you do that? You want to you haven't watched most much and down on that food? Watch most of what? The Marvel movies so I think I should just take I think I should just pick Avengers endgame out of context and see how much you hate it. I think that'd be a fun episode.
Giannis:Let me just put it this way, if you put if you select any one of those movies that I haven't already seen, you're just going to be doing the podcast by yourself. How does that sound? Does that sound good to you? Is that's what you're gonna wind up doing? You are allowed to do spider man homecoming and that's it. That was the last one of the only one of you.
Chris:Is that the only one last one?
Sean:Oh, the last one. Okay. All right. It's
Giannis:like what 2017 2018 and after that I just, you know, I walked out of the theater. I went to the bathroom and I immediately started scrubbing every square inch of my body as hard as I could because I needed to wash myself of that crap.
Sean:Wait in the movie theater bathroom. You watched yourself?
Giannis:Yes. I disrobed in the movie theater bathroom got fully stocked nude got I squatted on top of the the bathroom counter, took like a whole handful of soap and just lathered myself down while like 20 other people were waiting to use the bathroom. But this is not one of the individual ones right? This
Sean:is the one with you know like everyone can send linen now or a different Yeah, so everyone's watching you disrobe and wash yourself.
Giannis:I had a point to make I really needed I really needed to convey visually how filthy I felt.
Sean:But did you say why you were doing it? They just say this is because of spider man homecoming or did you just do it? No,
Giannis:I just assumed everybody knew what I was doing and why I assumed my motive was obvious.
Sean:I mean, yeah, I don't know how you can misinterpret that one. I think you know you should have done why you were doing that is why again while you're Stark nude washing yourself. take a shit in your into your hand and then on the mirror, just draw a picture of spider man's face. And then I think that would really hit home the message.
Giannis:You know, it's funny you say that because I didn't do that. But the guy who who came in after me did.
Sean:Man men's bathrooms. You know, movie theaters
Giannis:movie theater I made you know you worked at one you know how disgusting I did?
Sean:Huh? Anyways. All right, Chris. Jani. Final thoughts. Final rating? What do you think of this movie? And what would you give it?
Chris:So ultimately, I Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justice Ultimate Edition. I do. Like and I want to give it a seven out of 10. Just because the Ultimate Edition edit in those pieces that that it was missing and just made it made the story a little better. But as I said a few times during our podcasts or your podcast, your data. It just it's always going to leave me just wondering what could have been if things maybe would have been done a little bit differently. But I give it a seven out of 10. And ultimately, yeah, I think it's it's fine for what it is. Yeah. Well, Jani. What
Giannis:do you think it's hard to give this one a rating? The original, I would would have rated like I don't know, maybe like a six out of 10. But given all the the new information that we're privy to, I'd like to
Sean:Hey, can we do decimal points? No, we can't fucking do decimals. That's a hard number system.
Giannis:Oh, we can't do decimal. No, no decimals allowed. Wow, I was I was really thinking you were gonna let me do decimal points. And now I'm just
Sean:I don't know why you would think that I know. Because between a rock and a hard place, every single episode, you do decimals even though I tell you it's technically okay. Or, you know, it's really like sometimes I say it's okay, sometimes I don't, and you still just do it anyways, so you know what you don't know. Just take your shit and wash yourself in front of that movie theater bathroom.
Giannis:Okay, so no decimal points. Got it. I don't care too loud and clear. Given given all the focus on character, and a better insight at the intricacies of the narrative, and ultimately, how this how the story plays out now. I'm gonna have to give this one a seven and four fifths.
Sean:So you gave it a fraction. You didn't give it a decimal. You said
Giannis:I couldn't do decimal so I
Sean:did I say you can do whatever the fuck you want. And you do this to spite me. This is gonna be your new thing. fractions instead of decimals. Have you ever seen one fucking movie review? That's a fraction. I mean,
Giannis:yeah, actually, Roger Ebert used to do that.
Sean:No, he did thumbs. Thumbs up. Thumbs down.
Giannis:Why? No whom I think No, it wasn't Roger Ebert the moron that's
Sean:his whole thing. That's his whole thing.
Giannis:No, no, no, I have I have a book of his reviews. And in those, it's like 100 great movies or something. And in there, he gives each one a rating with stars. In his written critiques. He does that. Like,
Sean:yeah, but you don't do like the number then a fraction, like it'd be one out of four, three out of four or whatever. That's different. That's different.
Giannis:Okay, so I'm gonna give this one seven large McDonald's fries and one large McDonald's fries. That's only four fifths of the way full. So if you're hearing me correctly, that's seven and four fifths large McDonald's fries out of a possible 10. Yeah, whatever
Sean:McDonald's fries. Why not? Why not?
Chris:It could be a new rating system.
Sean:He's gonna do this every time me Chris comes up with a new fucking talk. All right. I don't know what you're talking about. All right, I am going to give this light Chris seven out of 10 things a good movie. Not a perfect movie. But I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot more. Both times. Even the theatrical cut. I liked it a lot more than I was expecting. And this time, I dug it all the way through the Ultimate Edition. Even the problems I have are honestly kind of minor in comparison to the strength of the film. So yeah, I like it a lot. And you know what? All you naysayers who thought Oh, man, I'm gonna tune in this house. So because they're gonna shit over Batman v. Superman. You know what, fuck you guys fun you trick to get it done fucked up now. Cuz you know what, like, Fuck your opinion, man.
Giannis:Yeah, man, like, you know, fuckin get hard. Yeah, real good.
Sean:Yeah, but not you. Anyways, Chris, thank you so much for joining us today.
Giannis:Chris. Thank you on a personal level. It's been so nice talking to someone about about films that isn't Shawn routes. It's just a relief. It's it's a renewal. It's, I feel I have been reborn. You know, I'm inspired. Yeah.
Chris:No, no, thank you so much for having me. And this was a blast. Absolutely.
Sean:So Chris, we know that your podcast is the fans perspective. But where can we best find you plug yourself.
Chris:So fans perspective podcast mean, you can find us on all major podcast outlets we just got on iheart radio. So that's a big deal for that. Thank you. But you can find this app on Apple podcast, Spotify, anywhere you listen to a podcast, we're on them. And you can follow us on our Twitter at Fpp. Show, you can check out our Facebook page.
Sean:Awesome. And listeners all plugged that all in the description below. So please, please, please listen to Chris's podcast, I've listened to a couple episodes. While most recent ones was an x men kind of recap super great. Him and His co hosts are all super knowledgeable. I think like, that's what really is the greatest strength of your podcast is like you and your co host are all real fans. But you're all like you, you have all this knowledge of it. So, you know, while this one, we're just doing one individual movie at a time. And you know, john and i are just talking about the one thing you guys are able to kind of like broad strokes kind of talk about each thing and how that relates to the whole of what it is. So for example, that x men or like the Terminator, or like you guys break down like different genres, different kind of comics series, etc. So it's a really good podcast. I think you guys should all listen to it. Again. I will link that in the description below. Chris, thank you again for joining us. And thank you so much for that. And how we usually sign off is we were going to each tell Jani to go fuck himself and say how great you are Chris. So Chris, how you have a great day. Eonni Go fuck yourself.
Chris:Mind sir now,
Giannis:yo, hey, sorry, I just walked back in the room. Are we still doing this thing right now?
Sean:Oh my god. You don't have to take
Giannis:this thing. Hey, go fuck yourselves. Bye. Bye everyone. Wow
Sean:Wow sound the guests. I go fuck himself. Wow. Move. Tick move.
Chris:Wow. Go fuck yourself. And it was a blast. Thank you.
Sean:All right, your
Giannis:accent feel free to do that any day. You want. more time.
Chris:One more time.
Giannis:I love that title.
Chris:Go fuck yourself. Oh.
Sean:That's not weird at all. Yani
